The Sheeple Analyst: Conversations on the Tutti-Fruiti Express


A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves.- Bertrand de Juvenal

Mr. Sheeple:

The Nazi Holocaust appears to have kicked into high gear on Nov. 25, 1941, during a Berlin meeting between the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini (1895-1974) and the Nazi Fuhrer of Germany, Adolf Hitler. At that well-documented meeting, Hitler promised al-Husseini, the Palestinian pan-Arab leader, that after securing a dominant military position in Europe, he would send the Wehrmacht, the Nazi war machine, on a blitzkrieg across the Caucasus and into the Arab world under the guise of liberating the Arabs from British occupation.

In a previous email, you declared that the holocaust never occurred. Either your "exhaustive" studies in minute detail never found the above, or you chose to ignore it because it conflicted with your preconceive notions of history. That the holocaust did occur was recorded by Fox Movietone news in theaters, Life Magazine, Yank magazine, stories told by returning war veterans who were involve din liberating the camps such a Auswitz, Bergen-Belsen and others, Jews who survived and still have their numbers tattooed on their bodies. I suppose all that was part of your conspiracy of millions.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37888

Sheeple Analyst:

Ah Ha! WorldNetDaily mentions the word "Holocaust" so it MUST be true! The true believer hears the word of his lord and bows down to him! That's a secular religion. It has its priests, scribes, Pharisees, dogma and its god....and believers who follow without flinching to consider verification. The flaw is in your belief system. You believe the ideology as you would any idol. It is just a conceptual idolatry and worship of a secular god. Your ideology is your religion.

Unfortunately you know nothing but what has been programmed into your organic computer. You have not even tried to learn the truth by looking at the evidence. Evidence is an inconvenience to you because it means that your programming is being challenged and you are committed to your programming. It has become your identity.

No one said that Jews were not rounded up. No one said that Jews did not die. No one said that they were not tattooed. No one said that there were no camps. No one said that there were no atrocities. The Holocaust was about an intentional policy of the Reich to exterminate millions of Jews, that they would be murdered en masse in gas chambers and their bodies cremated. In fact, the Nazis were trying to find another country that would allow the Jews to emigrate but the American Jewish Committee refused to permit that. Plans were developed to send the German Jewish population to Madagascar, but the American Jewish Committee scuttled that plan. And they wanted Jews out of Germany because of the catastrophe visited upon the German people after the Jewish Communists sabotaged the German war effort during the First World War. Millions of Germans died as a result of the rape of the German economy by the international bankers, the Illuminati. Thus was the stage set for the racial and ethnic animosity of Germans so that a hoax could be perpetrated on the Goyim and allow the establish the State of Israel on land owned by other people. Whereas at one time it was claimed that 4 million Jews were gassed and cremated at Auschwitz, Birkenau, and Treblinka, study of the documents now available have unearthed barely 70,000 confirmed deaths of inmates there. That's a lot, but it is not evidence of 50 times that number. An examination of the existing facilities and examination of the blueprints has shown no evidence of the use of Zyklon-B chemically or structurally. The use of Diesel engines would not have been possible to coincide with the witness testimony because there is enough oxygen in Diesel exhaust to sustain life for quite a long time and the victims would have a reddish cast to their skin instead of bluish.

In examining the efficiency of the "death camp" and the numbers, there was not enough time or fuel to exterminate that many people. Documents signed by Himmler demand a DECREASE in the death rate at Auschwitz so that the prisoners could be more productive in the war effort. Of course you would come to the defense of the ideology that has held you captive for so long and see no problem in the ownership of Fox Movietone News, Life Magazine, etc being Jews. And seeing starving people in a concentration camp at the end of a war is not necessarily the result of intent of their captors. Rail lines were being bombed by the allies, storehouses were being destroyed, the Third Reich was falling rapidly into an inability to maintain their citizens, their troops, or their captives. Having tattoos does not prove a policy of extermination.. After the war, Eisenhower, called the "Swedish Jew" by his classmates at West Point, called for the internment of German soldiers in camps in which they were intentionally NOT fed, NOT sheltered, NOT given water where over one million died horribly. Patton and a few other commanders ignored his orders and Patton was soon "accidented" in Italy. But if you have never gone to see what I REALLY say about the Holocaust, you can sit back and make up all sorts of nonsense that fits your program, a legend in your own mind. That has earned you title as Mr. Sheeple. There is only one way to change that: change your program to search for truth. You have shown no interest in discovering the truth. You take comfort in your lies. That is the nature of sheeple. It's your choice.

What is 'Holocaust denial'?
The 'Problem of the Gas Chambers'
A Prominent False Witness: Elie Wiesel
Auschwitz-Myths and Facts
"Jewish soap"
Simon Wiesenthal: Fraudulent 'Nazi hunter'
The "Liberation of the Camps"
Inside the Auschwitz 'Gas Chambers'
The Holocaust: Let's hear both sides

Mr. Sheeple:

Has it ever occurred to you that if Muslims have their way, in their desire to convert nonmuslims as "infidels" to the Islamic religion, it would also include you and I who have no longer have a specific religious belief? It is naive to believe that it would only apply to Christians and not atheists or others who do not adhere to any particular theological tenet. RHB http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37204

Sheeple Analyst: Now they have you running scared on the Muslim Menace? You follow the Illuminati bait, lunge and lurch. Gotcha!! Naah don't think about it. They've been around for a long time and you've never noticed they did anything unpleasant......

If you bothered to read the last line, it said "the seminar described the attitudes of a small group of fundamentalist Muslims who 'lack association with those Muslim people who live and work peacefully in this community.' " Get it? There are Muslims who believe in peace and those who believe in war. There are Christians who believe in peace and those who believe in war. There are Jews who believe in peace and those who believe in war. So who developed the Atomic Bomb? Muslims? Naah. Jews. Oppenheimer et al. So who dropped the Atomic Bombs? Muslims? Naah. Christians. Who started the wars of the twentieth century, Muslims? Naah. Christians following the dictates and manipulations of the Zionist Jews.

All they are doing is getting you comfortable with a war with the Islamic world, the only major block left that preaches that the violence of fractional reserve banking is a sin, that violence of loaning at interest is a sin and is not permitted, the major block that could pull out the supports to the US Dollar and even the Eurodollar. But, hey, money and banking....that's boring. Don't pay any attention. Have fun with your trains. That'll keep your children and grandchildren safe.

Ever read Brave New World by Huxley? 1984 by Orwell? You can even get videos that will show you what is going on. Or you could watch paint dry on your trains.

Mr. Sheeple: Hell, no, I am not "running scared on the muslim Menace", that is your interpretation based on what you wish to believe. I just sent it to you for your information. Yes, I "got it"! I know full well that the majority of muslims promote peace but that a small group are waging the jihad, or holy war, in an effort to "muslimize" the infidel's of the West whether Christian, Jew or whatever, along with people who do not adhere to any religious belief! The idea that I am "running scared" or do not understand that it is a small group waging holy war against the "Infidels of the West" is merely a figment of your own self-righteous imagination and mentality.

Sheeple Analyst: WHY would I wish to believe such a thing? I always hope that you would face life with courage and honesty. It was NOT sent JUST for my information because you added 66 words of warning. Get honest here, please. I hope you don't picture my description of scared as some cartoon character hiding under the bed: scared insofar as you are getting more and more willing to nuke the Arabs to protect yourself from the seething hordes. Don't go cartoony at that. It's just a picture of propaganda that has been used over and over in the history you don't wish to study. In WWI it was the Huns. In WWII, Korea, and Viet Nam it was the gooks, japs, slopes, chinks and rice eaters. In Afghanistan it was the towelheads and donkey eaters. And so on and on. Your 66 words were ample evidence that you have been grabbed by the propagandists.

You've forgotten, or perhaps more likely, never knew that the jihad has been largely manufactured by the CIA for mass indoctrination. Until the Zionists began taking over Palestine at the turn of the twentieth century there had been relative peace in the Middle East but for the intervention, invasion, and interference of the European powers. Jews and Arabs shared the land. The Jews were a minority and very poor, but they were not at war with their neighbors. Then came the ethnic cleansing of Palestine, the terrorism of the Zionist Likkud lead by Menachem Begin, Ariel Sharon, Shimon Peres, David ben Gurion, Golda Meir, Khazars whose ancestors had adopted Judaism and who are known by the traditional Jew as the Ashkenazim. First the British and then the UN decreed that Jews should be given more than their rightful share of Palestine even if the people of the land must be displaced, driven from their ancestral homes. The stage was set for a modern day Islamic jihad.

When the CIA under Eisenhower stole Iran from the Iranian people in the early 1950's by engineering the overthrow of popular, democratically elected Mossadegh and bringing to power the murderous Shah and his Savak, the stage was set for jihad.

When the CIA tricked the USSR into invading Afghanistan under Carter, they set the stage for jihad.

When the Mossad tricked the Reagan Administration into bombing Libya, they set the stage for jihad.

What is jihad? People defending the homeland, their families, their culture from destruction. It is a war of survival. Do you know the meaning of Sabra, Shatila, Beirut, Jenna, Nablus, intifada, the Wall, Gaza, Phalange? Describe for me what each of those words mean, please. You know only the meaning of the word "jihad" because it has been defined for you by those who wish for you to follow the path of most Americans to be cheerleaders of death and destruction.

It has been so throughout our history. The "savages," "heathen devils," the "vermln" who killed settlers and trappers invading their sovereign nation, their sacred territory, often ruthlessly killing whole villages and wearing the womens pubic skins on their saddle horn were defending their land, their families, their way of life from the REAL terrorist, the white European. And these Europeans were mostly the English at first and then when the wars and conditions of Europe made life intolerable immigrants came from many countries forced to find a new life elsewhere by the corruption and insanity of the Power Elites. The life and death struggle of Native America was their jihad.

The Muslim don't hate us, they hate our government and what our government has done to their land, their families, their way of life. They aren't so interested in proselytizing as are the evangelical Christians who follow in the footsteps of the US military to "win souls for Jesus." Often these "Christians" are directly involved in espionage, assets of the CIA or AID, some of them hawking for war, extolling the virtues of an American jihad, a Crusade for Christ.

You are not so unique. You are not alone in your felt need to support retaliation against a manufactured enemy. You might even find great comfort in the company of the other sheeple. Sheeple love the comfort of likeminded folks who won't challenge their sense of moral outrage and vindictive reaction. This is your choice. You came here to face the choices and to discern the lie from the truth. If you are spiritually capable this time around, you might be able to stand above the lies and have the courage to speak truth to those who would try to demolish the spirit. You might have that capacity this time, but perhaps not. The self-righteous mentality of the programmed American is implicit in your 66 words.


Mr. Sheeple: Perhaps if you had forthrightly stated them in a short and concise email, rather than the long diatribe filled with tiresome angry comments, and a generally angry tone, I might have read them. There has been times when I start reading and get so tired of your angry, and sometimes sarcastic, rhetoric that I cannot take it any more and then quit

Sheeple Analyst: When I sent this information it was with great hope that you might actually be capable of stepping outside your box and that you were sincerely interested. Thus it was with great care and compassion that I presented alternatives. To no avail. Your excuse in blaming me for talking to you straight, which I have otherwise done, is weak and tries to slither around the facts. The fact is you are not capable of stepping outside your box and that is why you earned the title, "Mr. Sheeple." Your programming makes you tired when there is a danger that you might actually escape the pasture.

Mr. Sheeple: OK, in plain and simple words, what are the two alternatives? Yes, I was sincerely interested in reading what you had to say, but I was not about to waste time wading through rhetoric of a negative nature, which I find very depressing. Far as I am concern, you have yourself also in a box and naively assume that any who do not agree with your view of the world have themselves in the box. Climb out of the box and say is straight while standing on the box and state case clearly and I will read it, analyze it and respond.

There has been times when I started to read something you had sent but get so depressed due to the negativism that I quit and never bothered.

Sheeple Analyst: There are many more than two alternatives and they are not available in the compromised and corrupted electoral process. Voting is only a facade and distraction and has been utilized for over a century as a beast of burden for a hidden agenda by hidden manipulators, like the strings that connect the puppet to the puppet master. If you believe in the strings you will believe anything they tell you to believe. But, of course, they won't TELL you.

Here is a slice of the script for a movie directed by Ingmar Bergmann in the 70's called The Serpent's Egg, set in 1923 Berlin in the midst of the deep depression caused by the demands for reparations from Germany for "causing" WWI: Dr. Hauptmann has been researching mind control as a means to control the mass population.

Dr. Hauptmann:

"The old society, Abel, was based on extremely romantic ideas of man's goodness. It was all very complicated, since the ideas didn't mesh with the reality. The new society will be based on a realistic assessment of man's potentials and limitations. Man is a malformation, a perversity of nature. The is where OUR experiments come in.

"We deal with the basic instruction and we shape it. We set the productive forces free and control the destructive ones. We exterminate what is inferior and increase what is usseful....

"Someday you can tell all this to anyone who is willing to listen. No one will believe you.

"Anyone who makes the slightest effort can see what is written in the future. It's like a serpent's egg, for with the thin membranes you can clearly discern the already perfect reptile inside.

Dr. Hauptman predicted that in ten years, the downtrodden and decimated German people would be ready to shed their individuality and independent thinking to follow the dictates of the state. And why was there so much antipathy toward Jews? The Illuminati had directed an infiltration of fifth columnists into sensitive positions in government and the military, most of whom were Jewish Communists, led by Jewish Communists. On command, shipments of food and munitions were diverted and misdirected, orders were lost or not forwarded, chaos reigned behind the lines as the military was carrying on a major war in which it had more than held its own. With the chaos it was impossible to carry on the conflict and was forced to beg for an armistice. The armistice became abject surrender. At Versailles, the international bankers (Illuminati) astounded the diplomats in demanding the reparations that left the German economy in shambles and brought about mega inflation of the deutschmark, homelessness, unemployment, starvation and more than a million deaths. With such trauma and the widespread knowledge that Jewish Communists had caused Germany's downfall and squalor, mind control such as suggested in the movie, had little difficulty in preparing German's for the severe reaction against Jews and Communists in Germany.

And so it is today. "Anyone who makes the slightest effort can see what is written in the future. It's like a serpent's egg, for with the thin membranes you can clearly discern the already perfect reptile inside." Hatching time is soon.

What are the two alternatives? Somnolescence or awareness. The bogeyman will not go away by hiding under the covers.

If you find the truth depressing it will not go away because you insist on ignoring it. If truth makes you tired it will not become a lie because you cannot stay awake. If protecting your family, your children and grandchildren, is too much for you may God have mercy on you.

Mr. Sheeple: OK, so much for history. Now, what is the alternative to voting choice between Bush, Kerry (perhaps), a Libertarian (perhaps) Socialist or Green party candidate? If not voting for an administration to run government, then what?

Sheeple Analyst: There! Dismiss the lessons of history without so much as a howdyado and go on to the same addled nonsense about the electoral process! The answers were already given months ago and ignored as quickly as the "history" lesson.

Mr. Sheeple: Aw, the hell with it. I am getting damned tired of all your bullshit sliding around the issue and bringing up things that are not relevent except in the legend of your own mind. I have asked you straight out, in another email, what you proposed as an alternative to voting in November and you respond with more history of the Illuminati that only reiterates what you have repeaded ad nauseum over the last couple of years and I have no more need for that because I am well aware of it. I guess you are obsessed with it and cannot get it off your mind!

Sheeple Analyst: The debt elimination pages are NOT about the Illuminati and the New Beginnings Courses are NOT about the Illuminati. Seems you can't handle more than a few sentences and only if they are congratulating you for supporting Bush. I knew you weren't sincere that you really wished to know what the alternatives were. You never have been.. It didn't fit into your programming so out the window without a look. That's sheepling.

"Well aware" is NOT the same as really understanding. Being aware of a machine is NOT the same as understanding how it works and what you might expect from it. Reader's Digest can help people become aware but it is not an education.

You wish to confine the dialogue to electoral politics and I continue to refuse it as misdirection and you can't handle that. You think I'm sliding around the issue but instead I'm identifying a useless activity based upon history and current facts. You haven't responded to any of my assertions about the dishonest elections and the way the media has been manipulated to ensure the proscribed results. It's not in your programming to step outside that box. You wish to discuss nonsense on grounds that are comfortable even as they are proven pointless. So inconvenient information must go out the window. When electoral politics are rigged one must go elsewhere for solutions to our dilemma. That's what you refuse to consider.


Mr. Sheeple: Apparently, the comments by former Texas Air National Guard officers attesting to GWBush's complete service have no bearing in the minds of liberals and others who are eagerly seeking dirt on Bush but conveniently overlooked Clinton's indiscretions and also overlooks questions regarding Kerry's service.

Sheeple Analyst: The issue does not arise because of time spent in the Texas ANG but in the Alabama ANG. Sidetracking the issue by claiming Texas ANG is covered is another ploy to avoid the facts. He was paid for 9 days in Alabama and could not be found to take his physical...could be too much cocaine snorting.

Mr. Sheeple: Now that is the kind of speculation as information not based on fact that can soon be passing for the truth, as per repeat a lie often enough and it soon passes for the truth.

Sheeple Analyst: Evidence and testimony has been gathering about Bush's drinking and drug habits. We know that he had to do community service at this point because of a judge sentencing him in court. Check out this research:

February 14, 2004
Watching the White House Press Secretary dance around Helen Thomas's questions about George's community service while in the National Guard

Bush's Military Service is not the issue. George couldn't afford to take a drug test was that would have been shown his use of cocaine continuing, a condition of his sentencing that he remain clean. In holding back Bush's military records, Rove has made the military records the issue, and has managed to divert the media from the real issue, which is the community service. If those legal files ever get out, showing that Bush was convicted of a serious drug offence, his political career will be finished. The real reason that Bush went AWOL was that he couldn't afford to take a drug test. If word of the failed drug test had filtered back to the court, he would have gone to jail. His fear of the criminal legal consequences is why he went AWOL, and that's why the community service is the key to understanding what is going on here. By concentrating on the military records, the media is walking right into Rove's trap. Helen Thomas once again shows us what a REAL journalist is supposed to do. She had a little help from her friends. Liar's Tap Dance Here

Obviously, this is the speculation of a detective trying to put together the elements of the evidence to see what kind of pattern emerges that can lead to more and better evidence. But look at who is resisting the release of records.

As has been noted in other stories, the national guard was making a change from the F-101 jet fighter to the F-102, and it would be a year an a half of training to learn the new fighter, but Bush had but a few months before his time was up. Why the hell don't you do your own goddam research, as you constantly bug me about? Of course, if you found the story you would not believe it because it is contrary to what you want to believe and would rather pass falsehoods to disparage Bush than face the facts.

Sheeple Analyst: And why do the other pilots continue flying but your buddy doesn't? You sure do get testy when the liar is caught in the lie. Only way out is to cuss and swear and carry on. Now that's what happens when your knowledge and research doesn't cover up the lies. You can always depend upon juvenile outbursts instead of handling it like a man--with honest research and objective discussion.

It might never have occurred to you that that was NOT Bush's response for not showing up at the Alabama Air National Guard. He COULD hve simply said that "well, they were changing over to a new plane and they didn't need me to fly." No he claimed he was there. Now you're saying that he didn't NEED to be there. That still means he LIED. That's the meaning of "is" !! And that's a demonstration of slithering.

Mr. Sheeple: This story notes that it was common for pilots to be excuse early, or take time off, for career purposes etc., the unit was changing from an operational figher squadron to a training squadron etc. Of course, you are going to regard it as all lies because it was not published on an alternative media site that you trust more than the establishment media. Or, you did not bother to do a search because you preferred to believe in partial information put out by the Democrats to disparage Bush. Never mind that Kerry is no perfect soldier, either, having gotten out early and then badmouthed the Viet Nam war along with Hanoi Jane.

Sheeple Analyst: Then why did he try to defend against the charge that he was AWOL by using this as an excuse? Why the attempt to prove that he was THERE? The lying is so transparent as to stomp all over your face. And you just smile. That's programming. And as is the case of consistent liars, you repeat the lie about where I get my information despite evidence to the contrary. This is part of the misdirection tricks you are programmed to use. And I was putting out this information BEFORE the Democrats had enough spine to question anything. They're getting into it NOW because this is the plan to get everyone distracted from the real agenda of control by divide and conquer. And you keep falling for it. You should already know that I've been blowing the whistle on Kerry for months before he became the leading Democratic candidate. But that's inconvenient for your misdirection and the attempt to get me to defend Jane Fonda. You're apparently short on memory on that or just using your tricks. This is a silly move to try to get me to defend Kerry. And your attitude about the Viet Nam War shows that you don't understand anything except what you were told about the causes and purposes. Reacting on cue.

Mr. Sheeple: Kerry got out 8 months early, and so did Bush to attend Harvard business school! Kerry served his time on the Mekong Delta as skipper of a navy patrol boat and never was inland to witness the fights by the ground forces alleged to have committed atrocities he mentioned in his congressional testimony after he returned. If he did indeed witness the acts of atrocities he alleges occurred, he was remiss in not reporting them at the time. As now Sen. John McCain noted in '73 after return from imprisonment in Viet Nam, the North Vietnamese used Kerry's testimony to harass and harangue the U.S. prisoners in the "Hanoi Hilton". Another story quoted General Giap as saying that the North Vietnamese forces were about to give up the fight as a lost cause until Kerry's testimony in Congress about alleged atrocities revitalized their resolve to continue the fight.

Sheeple Analyst: In case you have missed it: I have been informing people about Kerry and Clark from very early on in the Democratic primary campaign. I've pounded it home to you but still you take no notice! Kerry is a Bonesman and is not to be trusted anymore than Bush. Again, this is an inconvenient fact that eliminates your argument that tries to point the finger at others than Bush. All you need do is check out my website.

Mr. Sheeple: All that is in the past, as you referred to my comparison of President Reagan's vetoes at this point in his presidency when I compared it with President, and in your mind had no relevancy to today! So is the Air National Guard service of Bush in the past and has no relevancy to today.

Sheeple Analyst: When you spoke of Reagan he was not President. When we speak of Bush, he is now the President. This is another inconvenient fact that you work so hard at ignoring. What Bush did and said in his life, the credit he likes to take with his falsified military career is very pertinent.

Mr. Sheeple: The problem is that the stories I cited were not on the anti-Bush, anti-conservative websites you frequent.

Sheeple Analyst: Perhaps you didn't notice that I sent you URLs for American Conservative and WorldNetDaily. How dare you falsely characterize my frequenting of anti-Bush, anti-Conservative websites?! Again you lie. Repeatedly you lie. I have enough documentation from what you have written to prove that you are a false conservative! There is nothing conservative about the "neo-conservatives."

Mr. Sheeple: Also, anything pro-Bush and Conservatism is "all lies" in your view but lies about Bush and Conservatism are regarded as "fact". If you want to find them, then use google and find them yourself.

Speaking of "lies" that you hate, what about that WTC 7 story by Alex Jones claiming that "pulling" the building meant to take the building down with explosives, a lie that you passed on to me as "truth" to support your fallacious WTC implosion conspiracy completely dismantled by Prof. Eagar and others who forgot more about structural engineering and design than you or any other conspiracy advocates have even thought about!

Sheeple Analyst: And unlike you I acknowledged the mistake and withdrew it. I have not heard any such admission from you from the volumes of lies you have supported.

Mr. Sheeple: My brother inlaw in California is an engineer, and he agrees with my analysis that implosion was a figment of conspiracy imaginations. You accuse me of stepping around the facts, but you are quite adept at that yourself. An example is the preocupation with Bush's ANG credentials to the detriment of other concerns about Kerry and Clinton conveniently overlooked.

Sheeple Analyst: Why do you keep bringing Clinton into this? He's not running. And of course you lie again when you assert that I am not blowing the whistle on Kerry. That started months ago and you haven't noticed and haven't attempted to substantiate that claim in spite of the fact that my website is free and available to all. I was also blowing the whistle on Dean and Clark, but you wouldn't wish to notice that either. As a matter of fact, you know very little about me and continually spout suppositions as though they were truth. That is tantamount of willful lying.

You might get specifics from your brother-in-law about how WTC 1, 2, and 7 could fall at nearly the rate of free fall if the Official Conspiracy Theory proposes that one floor collapsed on another and caused sequential failures of the structural elements in a building 90 stories high making it to the ground in slightly over 10 seconds. I'd like to see his calculations. You see, a vote doesn't cut it. Facts and principles of chemistry and physics do. I'd like to see his application of relevant facts and scientific principles. How soon can you get those to me?

Mr. Sheeple: Uh huh, a lot of information about their lives. But what is true and what is not? Just as today where there is information pro and con regarding Bush and pro & Con regarding Kerry etc. depending on the viewpoint in which it is written. I was on your website a couple of hours ago and rummaged around and could not find anything regarding the alternatives to voting for Bush or Kerry respecting the need for some government srtucture without which there woudl be anarchy and chaos. RHB

Sheeple Analyst: The silliness I point at is thinking that YOUR vote and the votes of millions of other American "voters" makes any difference. You're so programmed you can't get it through your head that BOTH sides do the bidding of the puppet masters and for over a hundred years the possibility of an election changing the progressive infection of the Illuminati agenda has been zero. The intense programming makes it impossible for you to see that picture, the fully formed reptile inside the thin membrane of The Serpent's Egg.

You believe what you have been taught and you CAN'T get outside of that box because of your programming. it's really amazing to see and I thank you for this demonstration of human nature. This really is a tough school to get through intact and self aware, self-actualizing and independently thinking, You have shown me that facts and logic don't really matter only the emotional, social, and intellectual programming. The only way we can get through is by experience and I guess you will have to experience this for yourself. For the moment, suffice to say that insiders in the banking industry are predicting a free-fall economic collapse by June, signaled by the Dow Jones hitting 11,000-12,000. Even the laundering of drug money cannot keep the economy liquid. It might be triggered by something overt such as OPEC switching to Euros or another currency as their medium of exchange. The surplus of dollars would cause a precipitous plunge of the dollar that would wreck the infrastructure of this country. The movie I recommended earlier, The Serpent's Egg would be instructive. Then when Americans are helpless and starving, weakened, the chemtrails would be switched to the lethal micro-organism developed for the purpose of a major depopulation. Seventeen microbiologists who might have been able to rescue us with antidotes have died since November.

You might like to dismiss this as a conspiracy theory as you've been programmed to do, but survival always means looking out for the people's welfare from all possible points of attack and to not let down your guard.

Mr. Sheeple: What in hell are you talking about? What does "debt elimination and new Beginnings Courses have to do with my question about the alternative to the elections if niether the Democrat or Republicans are worth voting for? Do you have alzheimers?

Sheeple Analyst: Goodness gracious, you sure are slow on the uptake. I've been telling you that elections are pointless because the corruption in the voting machines themselves, the election process in general and the selective attention of the corporate media. What don't you understand about that? Why doesn't that sink in after all these months? I'm guessing it has less to do with the "A" word and more with the "P" word. Programming. You just can't imagine not voting. Something terrible might happen. Well, the "I" people have succeeded in manipulating the Democratic Party as much as the Republican Party. Didn't you read the Secret Weapons for Quiet Wars that I sent you? (You never did send that back.Probably deleted it without even looking.)

If you would take the time to actually LEARN something we could talk about that and you could KNOW what "debt elimination" has to do with freedom. New Beginnings would give you at least a peak at the possibilities. But that requires effort on your part and maybe even a mind that can hang in there long enough to get the picture. What I gave you was revolutionary without violence, empowering without exploitation, and far-reaching without getting spacey. But you would not give it a chance because you think with your hormones and emotions and you can't go to such levels of thinking without interfering with your programming. I predicted that you would not REALLY wish to know anything.


Mr. Sheeple@f................ wrote:

Why do you always think in terms of political polarity? Though I voted for Bush as the lesser of two evils as options does not mean I blindly and automatically accept his policies and stand behind him in every facet!

I fully disagree with his amnesty program to placate El Presidente Fox and take in all the illegal aliens flooding into the country because Fox wants to get rid of them. I am also upset that Bush has not had the courage to veto spending bills and insist that the Congress cut back on spending. Otherwise, they are no different than the "Tax and Spend" Democrats of the past.

As a nation, we should enforce our immigration laws and control the borders as other countries do. Then, for Fox to get his own economic house in order and provide for his people. I have an email correspondent in Mexico who thinks the same way. He is an American who has dual citizenship, teaches English and is married to a Mexican woman. He writes frequent columns on the subject.

Sheeple Analyst: I don't think in terms of political polarity. I describe YOU in terms of political polarity because of your demonstration of political polarity. Thousands of your words are proof of that. You expressed your total admiration of his intelligence, honesty, business acumen and defended him against the most glaringly obvious, sock-in-the-nose lies, crimes, and treason. A more polarized person could not be imagined short of those whose pockets are awaiting filling. You did, however, allow that maybe the USA PATRIOT Act was a bit of a threat to the Constitution. Only recently did you seem to start wondering, just a little bit about what might be done. Then when I answered, you tossed it without looking.

And yes, the Republicans are much worse than any Democrats of the past, creating a far deeper budget crisis than any since the Great Depression brought on by the Illuminati. They've cut taxes while in the midst of fighting two wars, rebuilding two nations we had destroyed, ballooning to half a trillion dollars deficit in a single year on top of two previous deficit years. Not only tax and spend, they CUT taxes and spend, giving bonuses to their rich cronies in stereo.

Wrong, cuz. I have repeatedly stated I saw Bush as the lesser of two evils because government has grown too big. Clinton had bragged about an era of smaller government but it grew during his 8 years, and Bush had spoken in favor of smaller government but he has failed to veto any spending and bureacracy-creating bills but has failed to deliver.

The growth of government and excessive government spending began with Lyndon Johnson's infamous Great Society with a socialist incliniation refledting Marx's infamous "Great Society" visions that collapsed economicially in '89-'90 with collapse of the former USSR. Before the '60s, government was smaller, living costs less where people lived quite well though minimum wage was $1.00 per hour, average annual income was $5,500 and a could be purchased for $10,000 but the official poverty level today is $10,392 for a family of four. RHB

Sheeple Analyst:

Well, your political independence is certainly a welcome revelation. Till now you only grudgingly acknowledged that perhaps the USA PATRIOT Act was a little bit destructive of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. That's been it, till now. Your comments that Bush failed to deliver on cutting spending and creating a smaller government are new to this playing field. I will willingly accept your new non-polarized political position. The greatest looting of America did not occur under the Great Society of LBJ, but with deregulation and the looting of the savings and loans by the cronies of the Reagan/Bush Administration, including Neil Bush and Jeb Bush, George's brothers. You might have heard of the Silverado Savings and Loan. If you are really not polarized, you will find this very eye-opening: Chapter 20-The Leveraged Buy-out Gang

During the entire decade of the 1980's, the policies of the Reagan Bush and Bush administrations encouraged one of the greatest paroxysms of speculation and usury that the world has ever seen. Starting especially in the summer of 1982, a malignant and cancerous mass of speculative paper spread through all the vital organs of the banking, credit, and financial system.

Now we can perhaps begin looking at how the Supreme Court has refused to overturn a lower court decision that established California's most stringent state law regarding gun registration as the national standard, effectively eliminating the Second Amendment. The same five. appointed by Reagan/Bush, who established that a state may not apply its own laws for an electoral recount have decided not to hear this case and therefore destroyed the Second Amendment. This adds to amendments 1, 4, and 6 amendments that have been taken away. This United States is becoming very quickly, an oppressive, dictatorial state such as the one that ignited the American Revolution--by Illuminati design. You are still placing the blame for inflation and rising living costs in the wrong place. When a bank can take the credit of your promissory note as its own asset and monetize it 9 times its original value without adding anything to national productivity, that is hugely inflationary. Doing that for nearly a century can readily be the primary, if not sole cause, of inflation and economic instability. There are several articles on The Seventh Fire that address this from an historical and economic standpoint. I have Eustace Mullins book, Secrets of the Federal Reserve on the Politics and Society page and a lecture by E. Griffin, the author of The Creature of Jekyll Island. We are addressing these issues, in part, by our debt elimination pages. Today I will probably add more on the UCC-1.and its impact on our sovereignty. While the Illuminati had you distracted fighting socialism and big government, the banks were looting the economy. Of course, you weren't the only one distracted and the corporate news media were surely not going to let you in on the news of the heist. This is a criminal activity going on demurely, out of sight, in your neighborhood bank and few people have a clue. But we have remedies and tools to end that oppression nonviolently.....if you are interested. Go to: /debt_elimination/debt_elimination.htm

Mr. Sheeple:

In case you have yet to figure it out, this is the message I sent you last night in which I copied and pasted a paragraph from your "sheeple analyst" website item and responded to it.

Sheeple Analyst:

Sure I figured it out. That wasn't hard. Now when you figure out that you just wasted my time and yours going around the tutti fruiti express for the past several days because you couldn't read my words without creating legends in your own mind, seeing a question to you as a statement of my position instead of question to you, we'll be in good shape again. Then you can get back on track with what the issue was from the git-go and respond to my statement about jobs being exported by corporations and our government irrespective of educational preparation.

Hopefully, we can stop the sidestep game and all the babbling that comes with it and be directly responsive to the issue on the table. THAT'S where the focus was lost. Had nothing to do with your focus on educational reform. It referred to our conversation which I initiated about the exporting of jobs and sought a response from you about that. You lost the focus and I still haven't gotten a decent response from you about that. I believe those facts I presented demonstrate that there is a bidding war for jobs for political and economic ends having little to do with educational preparation. It doesn't make educational preparation less important, it just makes it irrelevant as far as the outsourcing of jobs is concerned. All you would have to do is say, well, that seems to make sense OR show me another interpretation for those facts OR obtain another set of facts that proves the fallacy of the first set of facts. That's how an honest intellectual discussion would proceed.


Mr. Sheeple@f................ wrote:
Perhaps this story explains the reason Arabs detest the U.S.? RHB

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11555

Sheeple Analyst:

Frontpage is a Zionist website, Kevin M. Pollack was speaking at a dinner in honor of a Zionist, Kevin M. Pollack is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations, one of the top Illuminati agent groups. The analysis comfortably slides over the history of destabilization in the Middle East at the hands of the British, French and American Economic Imperialism. The overthrow of a democratically elected Mossadegh and his replacement with our puppet, the Shah is only one of many examples of destabilization throughout the world, but especially in the Middle East. Only with head planted firmly in the sand could one manage to read that misrepresentation of history and propaganda without upchucking. Good thing you don't know much about history except what the neo-conservatives tell you or you couldn't read that crap and still keep your cookies. More Illuminati crap swallowed joyfully. Gad! Ignorance can be bliss or bullshit, however you wish to look at it.

Mr. Sheeple@f.......... wrote:
Since you proclaim FrontpageMag as "a Zionist website", you apparently do not believe that Israel should exist. Especially as a nation. Well, I disagree with that. Since you are anti-Jew, I suppose you then support the Palestinians.

Since you are such a self-proclaimed astute student of history, you should presumably be aware that Israel has "occupied" Palestinian terroritory since it was seized by Israelis during the 6 day war in the '60s. Though I cannot cite the law, Israel is entitled to hold on to it as long as they feel a threat from the Palestinians who started the facas continue their anti-Israel antics. The Israeli nation was established in 1948 when several boatloads of 'displaced persons' as Jewish refuges from Hitler's camps were set ashore in then uninhabited land.

Sheeple Analyst:

Your usual hate-mongering rhetoric. Again, an "if-then" statement serves as your proof. So I'll try one on you. If you believe that Israel should exist, perhaps you think that their ethnic cleansing of Palestine in the first half of the 20th century was justified and moral. There! I just proved that you believe in ethnic cleansing. That was simple, simplistic and simple-minded. Or try this logic: since you believe in the Jews driving the Palestinians off their land without paying for it and using theft, murder, terrorism, and rape, you must therefore advocate theft, murder, terrorism and rape. Doesn't that seem obvious, oh thou of simplistic syllogisms? Then you take up the Illuminati gimmick of confusing Jew with Zionist. It's truly amazing how well they have you trained. You might get some other viewpoints on this, particularly from Jews. A Serious Look At The Powerful Jewish Lobby In addition, you are confusing the adjective "Zionist" with the adjective "Jewish." They are not the same as the traditional Jews will tell you and they struggle to oppose the violence of their countrymen that is markedly non-Jewish. They consider Zionism to be a heresy. They believe in Tikkun olam rather than "Greater Israel." Even less appropriate is your use of the Illuminatist/Zionist epithet. "anti-Semitism" without any knowledge of its etymology. Semites are a language group that includes several Arab nations. The Zionists who now control Israel are not ethnic Jews. They are referred to as "Ashkenazim." They are ethnic Khazars originally from Turkey who adopted Judaism in the 9th century. So the Zionists, who are nearly all Ashkenazim, are not Semites and their philosophy is rejected as heresy by traditional orthodox Jews. In fact, it would be more correct to say that the Zionists are, themselves, the most anti-Semitic people on the planet. Jews at the beginning of the 20th century were a tiny minority in Palestine which at that time was part of the Ottoman Empire. As part of the Axis Powers that lost World War I, the Turkish Empire was broken up by the Illuminati Bankers who dominated the Versailles peace talks. Britain became the occupier of Palestine under mandate from the League of Nations, the Illuminatist first attempt to establish a One World Government. The Palestinians were not asked for their permission to be ruled so. They were just another colony of the British Empire. With the Balfour Declaration promoting a Zionist state, according to terms dictated by Illuminatist Lionel Rothschild and agents of the American Jewish Committee, Jews began to move to Palestine under the British Protectorate and buy up land as they could. Jews remained a minority until the neighboring Arab states could no longer tolerate the oppression, murder and dispossession of their Semitic brothers, the Palestinians. A weak Arab coalition attempted to force Israel to abide by the treaties and agreements they had made but their forces were badly defeated by a larger, better equipped, better co-ordinated Israeli military. (Don't forget that many Palestinians are Christian as well as Muslim.) I haven't claimed to be an astute student of history even though I was certified to teach it in the public schools, and I always have much more to learn, as do you. As usual, your history is shallow at best and totally confused. But I provided you all of this information last week and you can now find it on The Sheeple Analyst linked from my news page. Surprisingly you did not even bother to read it when I sent it to you, perhaps to keep your history pure and ill informed.. Since you are not going to read what I write, others will. But your rendition of history is quite amusing, even the more so because you express it so straightforwardly as though this is the way that it actually happened. It's absolutely precious for its astounding declaration that "several boatloads of Jews from Hitler's camps came ashore" like Columbus to an "uninhabited land"...... incredible! Nothing of the war that went on between the world wars and during the Second World War, the massacres, the destruction of 500 villages, raping, torture, and theft of a people's lands and possessions much like white men entering an "uninhabited American frontier" with native tribes living there, invisible and without rights to white man's way of thinking.. It's almost as though you keep yourself ignorant as protection against changing your mind, basing your beliefs on inaccuracies that permit sloppy thinking and opinions based on little more than emotional rhetoric. You have the information before you and you choose to ignore it. That is the birth of ignorance. Wish I could state that in a kinder way. So instead of attacking with personal judgments and skewed logic, you might consider actually performing as a responsible, mature adult who can examine facts, logic, search for First Cause before rendering a syllogism devoid tof reference in true, relevant facts. Demonstrate the proficiency in thinking abilities you proclaim as required for students as you try to "reform education." To do otherwise is to demonstrate that inadequate academic preparation is not limited to the recent generations of high school graduates. It also demonstrates the extreme danger such inadequate education portends for a people who wish to remain free. Gullible, ignorant people can be gulled out of their freedom as well as their money.

Mr. Sheeple@f............wrote:
Just as I had long suspected by your rhetoric: You are a left-wing socialist. My suspicions were based on the angry, bitter and belligerent style of writing. Confirmation of my suspicions emerged when I visited your website news and found the "progressive" (aka socialist) radio listings including "radio left". That explains your past reluctance to initially extend your criticism to include Clinton and the Democrats while concentrating your efforts on Bush and the Republicans. As I noted in previous emails, I do not necessarily support Bush and the Republicans 100percent, but at least it is better than the leftist Democrats as Howard Dean as the front runner is running so far left.

It also explains why you refer to Frontpagemag.com as a detested if not hated "zionist" website run by David Horowitz of Jewish descent and a former communist as he was brought up by his communist parents.

If you envision the alternatives to Republicans and Democrats as a socialist candidate establishing socialism, then you fail to understand history in which you profess expertise as a legend in your own mind. You fail to see, or do not want to see and admit, that socialism has risen and fallen over the years. The most notable was the decline and fall of the former Soviet Union as it crashed economically due to government controlling and managing the economy and provide for the people via government programs (anti-free enterprise as you seem to be) and distribute it "equally" to all. But that "equality" meant providing housing and sustenance to keep the people dependent on government where officials accorded themselves ornate palaces and other amenities denied the general populace.

Cuba's envisualized "socialist economic utopia" has also failed to materialize. A government just as bad for the people via a dictatorship by Fidel Castro as it was for Btista whose government Castro overthrew in the 1959 revolution. As a result, the people are no better off under Castro, and no better off than were the people in the former USSR.

You regard anything other than leftist websites as "lies" because they do not reflect or espouse the socialist concept which you obviously support.

I was an avid Democrat myself, and initially believed in the premise of Democrat Lyndon Johnson's infamous "Great Society" social spending programs until I realized during the inept Carter administration that Karl Marx also envisioned a "Great Society" based on government spending and providing for the people in a program called socialism.

Sheeple Analyst:

Too bad you can't stop making up stories, legends in your own mind, long enough to REALLY research something. You would notice that there is NO advocacy for Howard Dean or any other candidate but for a report long since buried in another page about John Kerrey's membership in Skull and Bones and Kucinich's warnings about the power grid and the effect of deregulation on maintenance of the power grid. I hardly think that you would classify Alex Jones as a progressive yet all of his sites are linked in alternative news. Idaho Observer is moderate to conservative. I don't recommend any of the conservative stations that I've heard because they are propaganda for the government. Left wing stations and sources that take financing from foundations and funding sources that are linked to the Illuminati are mentioned in a sidebar that I moved to a linked page about propaganda in the media to decrease the loading time. Naturally, Clinton is not in the news much anymore so it's hard to spend too much time outing his villainy. In contrast, I have included Clinton in the excerpts from Cathy O'Brien's expose' of her experience in Project "Monarch" as a presidential sex slave and courier linked on a webpage that is linked to the news page at Child Sex Abuse. There's a link exposing General Wesley Clark as an Illuminati agent and much, much more.

But you went to my web page found a few links to progressives and had all the ammunition you thought you needed to justify your attacks on me. Not with an open mind, of course, but with a narrow agenda of fending off my pressing you to actually think critically and research the facts to find First Cause for your analyses. Once again you prove my thesis that your purpose in our discussion is to protect yourself from ever having to examine your prejudices very closely.

And as usual, you are quick with the word "hate." It's amazing how much that sounds like the frothy mouthed ultra-right commentators I've heard. So you now project THAT motivation on me when it really is your own hidden agenda programmed by your own experience of hate radio..

You begin your legend creation with an if, then statement to turn an hypothesis into your own explanation that will keep you safe from ever considering "unfaithful" thoughts about your party and your Fuehrer. I not only reject socialism as driven by the Jewish/Zionist Illuminati agent ,Karl Marx. Or anything that transpired from that in the Soviet Union, China, and elsewhere. It seems you have only two visions for the world, one socialist and the other fascist. I reject both of them. I was invited to participate in a message board about the World Federalists and United Nations advocates and then uninvited because of my rejection of their platforms. You've taken YOUR version of the Illuminatist Hegelian dialectic and like a rag doll punch it, kick it, hammer it and after getting all sweaty pronounce it as defeated. It is a bit comical, you know.

So proving another observations about the way dumbed down sheeple function you make up a legend in your own mind so that you can demonize anything I might say to give yourself an excuse to dismiss me WITHOUT EVER HAVING TO RESPOND TO THE SUBSTANTIVE FACTS. The only facts you find are facts that you think will be useful in an emotional fisticuffs, but never proving my facts and analyses incorrect. It's a childish mode of behavior, hardly fitting for someone purporting to tell people what's wrong with the schools and why students graduate without knowing anything.

Naturally I would expect that you were an AVID Democrat because you pursue everything with an emotionally intensity that limits your capacity to be objective and responsible. You still haven't figured out why the Carter Administration was so inept even though the information has been available for nearly 20 years. I've told you about the IranContra hearings in which we found out that George HW Bush negotiated an exchange of Tomahawk missiles and other arms to Iran in exchange for keeping Americans prisoner until the day of the Reagan-Bush inauguration. And that this was paid for by the sale of cocaine coming into the United States in Air Force aircraft, unloaded at USAFB by military personnel and used to ravage ghettoes with crack. All the while Carter was attempting to negotiate the freedom of the hostages, GHW Bush was negotiating to PREVENT THEIR RELEASE! I call that treason. Can you provide a softer way to say that? Little wonder Carter seemed ineffective. His opponents were committing treason and using the misery of the hostages to their personal political advantage. They shamed the honor of America and you support them AVIDLY. You can only share the shame in continuing to hold them up as heroes instead of traitors. And the blame for the New World Order. You not only do not oppose it, you actively support it by your own peculiar advocacy.

But then Carter and Clinton were both puppets for the Illuminati as well. Neither one is my hero.

Mr. Sheeple@f......... wrote:
Alright, I read the two chapters. Now, what makes you think that the ambitions of the illuminati can be thwarted, when so many have attempted to do so and failed? How do you propose for that to take place?

If niether the Democrats or Republicans are fit to run the U.S. government, what do you propose as an alternative in the 2004 elections coming up? you stated in a previous email that you had already responded to that. Perhaps it was buried deeply in a long email of a bitter and angry tone along with disparraging my character to the point I grew weary of the 'tirade' and dumped it before I got to that point. What do you propose as the solution to overcoming these forces that Roosevelt and others failed to overcome? RHB

Sheeple Analyst:

Wow! That's great! This could start to be fun instead! Please forgive the long email, but there is so much positive possibility to share with you. I hope you are sincere in your inquiry.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt did not try to overcome the Illuminati agenda, he forwarded the Illuminati agenda as their agent. He needed to get America into the War and found his entry point in the Japanese pact with Hitler and Mussolini. For that he had the tools and talent to finagle a Japanese attack after closing down their industries--no petroleum, no steel, no trade.. Then moving most of the fleet into Pearl Harbor and only allowing ONE of the three fleets to be at sea on maneuvers, lining up the ships, pulling down the barrage balloons, keeping the Japanese diplomatic and military intelligence from the Pearl Harbor brass, forcing commercial shipping to steer clear of the area from which they expected the Japanese to attack....all lead to a successful "attack" to "force" him to declare war on Japan which allowed him to enter the war in Europe as well.

Same for Woodrow Wilson in World War I, Harry S Truman in Korea and Lyndon Johnson in Viet Nam. And a lot of others in between. Calvin Coolidge oversaw the rape of Mexico, Nicaragua and much of Central and South America, Eisenhower brought down the democratically elected leaders of Iran and Guatemala. Before becoming president, Eisenhower ordered and supervised the illegal incarceration of 1.7 million German troops following the victory in Europe, causing their death by starvation and exposure to the elements. Nixon ordered the bombing of Laos and Cambodia, the organizing of the regime of Pol Pot. And so on it goes....all asserting the agenda of the Illuminati as their agents.

Who cares about another rigged election? They've been rigged for at least 50 years. The Illuminati probably killed our first president because he was fighting the Jacobins, an Illuminati group. (The Illuminati agents always try to make assassination look close to normal if possible. Even JFK was explained away as a lone gunman, as was RFK, MLK, Lincoln, Garfield, Gandhi, Count Folk Bernadotte. Airplane crashes have assassinated Carnahan, Wellstone, Huey Long, Larry McDonald, et al. "Suicides" killed Wm Colby, Vince Foster, Craig Spence, et al.) Just face it, the electoral process is so screwed up that it probably doesn't even matter for now. You probably remember the Illinois electoral capers of Joe Kennedy, the Watergate Break in by Nixon's goons, the sweetheart arms for hostages deal between Bush and the Ayatollah. Even before touch screen voting machines came along, there have been so many shenanigans around the electoral process as to make it useless as a change agent. But it's NOT our only means for change.

Yes, the Illuminati do have more resources than you or me but we all outnumber them immensely. Still they can buy almost anyone these days. Ironically, one of their weak points is the fact that their wealth is dependent upon us continuing to play dumb, stupid and ignorant. So we just have to get wary, wise and smart. When they feint left we don't take the bait and we nail them in their tracks. When they feint right, we're onto their game and bury them. Nothing that they say is meaningful except for the way that they say it, the timing of saying it, and some of what they do say along with some of what they don't say. It's called reading between the lines. An event reported is not accepted at face value but with an eye to who benefits from the event. We can understand that the world is not reeling about quite as chaotically as it seems but the chaos is being managed toward an end, the Hegelian dialect. Chaos begs an ordered solution. Managed chaos begs a managed solution.

So we can start by understanding that they have set everything to catch us into their agenda. They've built a fence around us to manage us. This is most readily seen in the corrupt money system in which the IRS is the goon squad breaking legs of those who don't pay up and the Federal Reserve is the cash machine legally counterfeiting what is called money but is actually fancy debt instruments. This is the main source of inflation, a lack of productivity in the banks. We have several powerful tools to take away their power and re-empower ourselves.

The first and most important is the use of new discoveries in the statutes that give us the remedies that they put in place so that no one could successfully charge the government collaborators with treason or fraud if anyone every figured out their scheme. For a much deeper analysis of this see Taking Back Your Power. The short answer is that we can call them on their system by taking away their presumption that we are willing slaves or chattel. We do this with a UCC-1 Financial Statement, Security Agreement, Bill of Exchange, and our connection to a Direct Treasury Account that was established so that the Corporate United States and its subsidiaries, the several states, their counties, cities, etc can interact with each other and the fictitious, corporate us in the administration of commercial "law"

This process can be done by each and every American. This is a quiet and legal revolution in which the people discover how to take back what was always theirs and do so following established administrative procedure provided by the statutes. We don't start at the contentiousness of electoral politics but helping each other to establish our Sovereign status and obtain our rightful heritage that affects us where most of us live.....close to our bank account and wallet. Most people have debts that they would be happy to be rid of--credit card debt, auto loan, student loan, mortgage or house payment. All of these can usually be discharged or eliminated through this process.

Each of us has a constructive trust in our name at the Treasury from birth, initiated upon the reception of our birth certificate at Commerce. That trust represents our share of the real national wealth that the US Government Corporation took away in 1933 when the US declared bankruptcy and FDR illegally demanded everybody turn in their gold for a paper receipt. Technically, according to the Uniform Commercial Code which came into practice in the 1950's, this wealth is held on our behalf, but by stepping forward and identifying ourselves as the real person to whom this nation belongs in part, the fictitious entity, Corporate US Government, can no longer presume we're not interested. Its own carefully crafted laws force them to respond under the "Color of Law" by allowing us access to that wealth that was always ours.

All through our lives we have been accommodating this corporate entity, frequently called the "strawman," by voluntarily discharging its debts when called upon to do so by one of the corporate fictitious entities of government. Now we can notify the government that we are prepared to take responsibility for ourselves and place ourselves in the position of the First Creditor to our fictitious debtor. All claims on the debtor must first come through us, the creditor first in line. All charges can be accepted for value and then as the holder-in-due course, discharge the debt. The government can no longer use our collateral and must stand ready to discharge our debts according to House Joint Resolution 192 passed in June 1933. The national debt is first owed to us the real people of the several united States of America. When enough people take back their status as Sovereign citizens of the State in which they reside and the several united States, the Illuminati, who were expecting us to remain dumb, stupid, and ignorant will have lost their cattle through the hole in the fence which they provided but hid from us.

This also means that the goon squad that collected tribute from the peasants, the Internal Revenue Service, can no longer extort the energy and possessions of the Citizens of the United States (Corporation) who will have become Sovereign once again and once again protected under the Constitution as were those Sovereigns who created the Constitution and Bill of Rights, giving birth to a new constitutional republic.

We can also take back the right to create our own money without paying tribute to the International Bankers and we can begin to do so at a local level and broaden it as it is refined. Lincoln and Kennedy were both shot because they dared to do this, but they failed to take their case to the people. The Federal Reserve earns obscene profits simply by renting it back to us at exorbitant levels of interest and increasing inflation.

We can also end the corrupt practices that allow Federal Reserve Banks to earn obscene profits through fractional reserve banking, bundling and money markets by using our constructive trust at Treasury to pay the bills. When they took our substance away they replaced it with form, debt instruments which cannot extinguish debts but pass debt to another and another. This together with increasing the money supply without increasing productivity is another inflationary factor. Banks as they are now set up are parasites on the economic system leading our economy perilously close to instability or burnout. Presently money laundering from the illicit drug industry are keeping the US economy afloat..

With our new-found Sovereignty we can begin, once again, to refuse the privileges granted by the feudal lords of the Corporate Government because we are no longer the underlings but the Sovereigns. We stop asking the Lord of the Manor the right to marry. That is not necessary for a free people and any privilege granted comes with strings attached. We do not need a license to drive. The roads are ours. We do not need a driver's license. The right to travel is ours. We can make such laws as are needed but on the Common Law, not the Law of Admiralty and Commerce. In Common Law there is no violation if there is no aggrieved or injured party. When we understand how to stand as Sovereigns before a court, we will know that we can ask to be tried under Common Law. We will know how to attach the judge's bond to require him to perform according to his oath of office. Before we accept the jurisdiction of the court we will know how to demand the judge's bond and validate his jurisdiction. We can attach the bond of the law enforcement officers if they fail to perform their duty according to their oath. When they lose their house and bank account for illegal acts, they will reconsider wronging citizens.

Knowing how the government has kept a double set of books and earned more income than is needed in a given year will motivate us to form action groups to correct the unethical practice.. In each community, we can begin to form groups to examine the books and hold government officials to their oath of office. If they fail to perform, they lose their house and bank account according to procedures found in existing law. With the existing revenues utilized to fund the annual budgets, taxes will no longer be necessary and budgets can be increased to fund and reform schools, and yes, providing an excellent academic as well as practical education for all by choice.

The most effective form of voting is boycott of those corporations that do not serve our interests. We can stop watching the TV news until such time as there is evidence of full, fair and honest reporting or at least object when it is not by noting the advertisers and notifying them of our concern and willingness to boycott their products.. We can stop subscribing to the newspapers and magazines that cannot assure us full, fair, and honest reporting. We can write letters to the editor focusing on what we have learned about becoming free. The possibilities here are endless.

We can start our own small town crier broadsheets and gather news from the Internet and.locally, weigh it and analyze it objectively without the false rancor between politicians and parties. We can get together in groups who are intending to be free. Some of this might not be practical at first, but serve as goals for growth. Still, we can stop buying junk we don't need and purchasing quality goods from cottage industries wherever possible, organic farmers wherever they set up at farmer's markets. Buy healthy foods, avoid dental amalgams and other sources of pollution, use more natural health remedies, and educate our own children in home schools or charter schools. Teach these principles in the charter and home schools along with critical thinking and a rigorous, broad academic program. Vote with our dollars and our intention rather than merely ballots on election day. We've gotten too dependent upon the ballot as a way to bring about change. We've become too lax in examining what we read and what we hear and see...and say.

And talk to each other with openness and nurturance because we need each other to make this quiet revolution work. If we meet the expectations of the Illuminati by staying dumb, stupid and ignorant, we will surely lose. If we quit because the task looks too enormous, then we have surely lost. Too often people look to the end result and lose their will to go all the way. What is needed is to be aware of the prize, but keep the eyes on each step, always fully aware in each moment and never give in to unexamined thought and ideas. On a hike or a bike ride, one keeps ones attention on each step or each revolution of the pedals. Mountain climbers have found that those whose only goal is to get to the top, tire more easily than those who climb the mountain one step at a time.

Hope I haven't bored you or lost you in the details. I tried to keep this short but the possibilities are nearly endless. All that is lacking is will and courage. What we truly face is a Matrix in which hidden controllers confuse us with illusion and steal our energy without our realizing what caused the loss. Kay and I have started. Want more information. It's there on www.the7thfire.com in all areas.

Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote:

You still haven't answered my question: If there is no difference between the Democrats and Republicans, what government or system concept do you envision or propose to replace them and bring about the freedom and prosperity you envision? There is little gained in condemning something with out presenting some form of alternative. RHB

Sheeple Analyst:

Weak eye sight, short memory, fading attention span, thin skin, disinterest, or reading disability? I HAVE answered your question SEVERAL times and each time you have avoided reading it. The most recent was about two days ago.

You can find it at The Sheeple Analyst on my news page. You should know how to get there. I would expect from this question that you probably forgot. Do you remember what it was like when students would ask you the same question over and over? You got it ! That's you now. Over and over and over. Same question. Did you always have the patience to repeat the answer to them? Or did you complain to the principal how dumbed down the kids were?

I spent the better part of a day putting that together so you might be able to get it. But no. Ah, well. Some will, some won't, so what. Next. I'm not wailing or whining so please do not use that voice to create still another legend in your own mind. That's why I published all that on my webpages, so it wouldn't be a sheer waste of time. When I get time I can dig through the rest of "our" archives and write a book. But I really have better things to do.

I did run into this interesting video clip of Osama's confession about the OKC bombing and 9/11. http://www.prometheusdesigns.com/osamaconfession.htm


Mr. Sheeple@f........ wrote:
Thought you might find this of interest, since you sent the email about the matter of getting jobs back to America and retaining them.

last march, the Colorado Commision on Higher Education did a survey. The startling results showed that 1 out of 4 high school graduates required high school remedial work as college freshmen. If students from the college preparation track are that bad academically, what about students expected to enter vocational or technical schools where faced with learning CNC programming, setup and operation? RHB

From: Mr. Sheeple@f..........t
To: denver post
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: Low college graduation rates

An Associated Press article in the Denver Post of 1-4-04 noted in the headline that "Graduation rate stymies colleges". Cause of the problem, and the solution, are not difficult to discern. The inordinate emphasis on college has resulted in the 40-50 percent dropout rate of students who would have been better off if introduced to career options other than college that also requires an academic high school education as basic preparation. The key is to quit tracking students into college and, instead, introduce them to other options and give them more choices.

Acquisition of technical skills and knowledge in vocational and technical schools has always required an academic high school education. That academic requirement has become of even greater importance during the past three decades as computer technology has been applied to machinetools and other elements of manufacturing. Computers that operate electronic devices that have replaced manual machinetool controls of the past. [The last sentence is missing a verb and thus is unintelligible.] Computers that require thinking and reasoning ability imparted by an academic education to enable the individual to setup, program and operate machinetools with minimum of supvervisory direction.

It is not, and never has been, a matter of "show and tell" with a foreman showing ignorant employees how to perform the required tasks. Instead, the supervisor hands the individual the paperwork including a print of the component to be produced and assigns a machine to be set up, then present the supervisor or quality control person the first component to check regarding design specs on the print before placing the machine into production.

As a former high school Industrial Education "shop" teacher with knowledge and experience in manufacturing and who tried to make a difference, I have been pushing education reform since retiring in '97 as a computerized drafter in industry. I had the audacity to expect students in my classes to read, write and use math, but the administration told me that students not attending college have no need for an academic educucation. But an excellent ability in reading and reading comprehension, written communication, algebra, geometry, trigonometry are all required and applicable in machinging and other technical skills of manufacturing and other areas.

As a high school graduate of '53, I know from first hand knowledge and experience that all high school students at that time were accorded the identical academic high school education focused on the basics whether attending college, a technical school, vocational school or merely entering the workforce after high school graduation. That concept prevailed until the late '60s and into the early '70s when academia began pushing as many students as possible into college preparation. Students not considered as "college material" were assumed to require only "training in manual vocational skills, to learn how to work with their hands rather than their minds".

As part of my education reform efforts, I point out that the human mind is but an organic computer of potentially infinite capacity. Unless it is loaded with quality academic "software" to create an "operating system" for thinking and reasoning ability, and establish an academic data base of facts and knowledge on which to draw when arriving at a rational conclusion based on data input from the senses, it cannot function any better than an electronic computer lacking software. An academic education provides that ability regardless of career options and skills required.

Sheeple Analyst:

Yes, incompetence, illiteracy, and inability to think logically and critically are a significant problem not just for the contemporary graduates but for older, even much older graduates. That still is not the fundamental cause of jobs leaving the country or the loss of American jobs as foreign nationals are brought in to bid against Americans for jobs. You persist in pointing at effects rather than causes.

Sugars, aspartame, mercury, other heavy metals, glutathiones, vaccinations, dental amalgams, the declining earning power of families and especially single-parent families, petrochemicals, pesticides, partially hydrogenated oils, canola oil, GMO foods, chemtrails. chemical preservatives, plastic foods that imitate real food superficially but cause degenerative diseases, ... all stress the capacity of human physiology to detoxify and reduce the capacity to think and learn, even to focus on a topic long enough to learn is a huge task for some. It's not all behavioral or educational policy.

And it's not limited to the current generation of students. Even students who graduated in the early 50's are affected. I can show you evidence of that. I'm gathering a lot of clinical data for a book called The Sheeple Analyst. The sheeple actually can't help how they think or even their lack of thinking. Try as they might they squirm and wail when you try to hold their attention to facts that don't fit their pre-conceived dogma. They'll use emotional tricks and gimmicks to switch a discussion into the emotional arena in which they excel instead of remaining objective and in an intellectually honest frame of mind. I've noticed a very strong inclination to cling to simplistic, emotionally charged world-views even when their very survival depends on their clarity and objectivity. Anyone who tries to show them another set of facts and the analysis based on these facts they strike back with epithets and slanderous constructs of the correspondent's personality thus creating a legend in their own mind. But mostly what I've noticed is a lack of interest in a pursuit of truth, leaning instead on superficial and erroneous ideas and the dogma of their political and social gurus and a narrow slice of fact and opinion. They think mechanistically, assigning even the function of mind to simplistic, mechanistic explanations as though it were a computer robotically programmed and incapable of intuition and pre-conceptual creativity. This is just a sample of the insights gathered from clinical observations that might someday be published in their entirety.


Sheeple Analyst sent:

Thought you might find this interesting

General Anthony Zinni-Ret. supported Bush/Cheney and now speaks out against their Iraq policy.

"Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction," Cheney said. "There is no doubt that he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us."

So? Zinni has expressed his opinion, that he is free to express, but does not constitute an indictment against Bush except in your anti-Bush, and anti-war mind. His comments do not change my view on the matter that is contrary to what you believe and want to believe as your emails essentially condemn my right of free expression that runs contrary to your beliefs.

As for his quoting of Cheney regarding WMDs, he (and you) should also quote the UN, Clinton administration and others in government who stated that Iraq had WMDs during the first gulf war and had them afterwards .... until Saddam kicked the inspectors out of Iraq and then he had an opportunity to hide them in Syria, Lebanon or even bury them in the sand. Only time will tell who is correct regarding WMDs, which I believe will eventually turn up. RHB

Sheeple Analyst:

Not indicting Bush. Just providing evidence for the indictment. A Military Man of High Caliber, In Touch With the Highest Level of Intelligence (please salute here That's a MARINE General, soldier!) has announced that he no longer can support Bush and Cheney because their words are at variance with the facts. That's it. At ease, soldier.

When did Saddam kick the inspectors out? They were withdrawn prior to a bombing campaign in 1998, but never KICKED out. There's the weak grasp of history making you stumble once again. Look it up. Don't take the claims of the frothy mouthed pundits. Look it up. David Kay is so sure that there is no WMD that he is giving up and coming home. Even Bush admitted that what he REALLY meant is that Saddam had the INTENT to obtain WMD, not that he actually had it. Interview with Diane Sawyer. Spend a little time getting your facts straight.

Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote:

Well, when they left for whatever reason, Saddam had plenty of time to hide his WMD


Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote:

Now, THIS is an element of religion to raise concerns. RHB

Pope Wants New International Order to Keep Peace

Sheeple Analyst:

It's not even religion. It's the agenda of the Illuminati for thousands of years! I thought you KNEW about the Illuminati. If so, you would know that Adam Weishaupt was a Jew who became a Jesuit and founded the Illuminati in 1776. Look at your dollar bill. That number at the base of the pyramid is NOT the date of the Declaration of Independence. Adams, Franklin, and especially Jefferson were very taken by the Illuminist movement that had just overthrown the King of France and initiated a Reign of Terror, (another Illuminati ploy, used in Russia and Spain). The Eye of Horus, the Pyramid, the date of the founding, the declaration of a New Secular Order (Novus Seclorum Ordo), the celebration of the success of their agenda (Annuit Coeptis) are part of the Seal of Illuminism and were proposed by our Illuminist forefathers to back up the Official Seal.

I've been telling you about this for several months now but you knew all about it, you said. Well, it's time to get off the silly egoistic defensiveness to take a careful look, intellectually honest, objective, rational look at what is happening.. The Jesuits, Illuminati, Zionists, Freemasons and their Council on Foreign Relations, Rhodes Scholars, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, Rockefeller and Ford Foundations and sub-foundations, liberal AND Conservative commentators, the news media of the Left AND Right, Think Tanks of the Left AND Right, Democrat AND Republican politicians, the United Nations, World Council of Churches.......... are all complicit in bringing the entire world under their domination, a Satanic Total Dictatorship of the whole world.

How did it come to this? Stealth, Machiavellian amorality and willingness to lie, murder, cheat, steal, enslave at will, as well as the knowledge that most people are too stupid or easily manipuilated to be able to even notice until its too late. As I wrote back in 2001, Cows in the pasture, cared for, milked, and then led off in trucks to hang surprised as they ar eviscerated and skinned alive. They trusted the farmer and they pay for their stupidity and gullibility the hard way.

You might see this for the first time, but the Pope's statement fits perfectly into the Hegelian tactic of creating a problem and then proposing THEIR solution. The slogan of the Freemasons is "out of Chaos, order," and all they need is a way to initiate enough chaos that people would be crying out for a means to once again bring order. And that's where Dubya comes in. And the Zionist neo-conservatives like Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, Elliot Abrams, William Kristol et al.
We have endured a protracted National Suicide with little cuts here and there, poisons in our food, water and air, squabbling of left and right, pro-abortion vs anti-abortion to keep us distracted, bleeding our productivity, keeping us as collateral to be monetized without our consent, lied to by our history books and our teachers, lied to by our news media and movies, lied to by those we chose to be our leaders, our votes stolen or skewed. We are close to the Reign of Terror. The first hint of that might be 9/11, but it has its roots in Joseph Padilla, Oklahoma City, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Wounded Knee, the Trail of Tears.....

Paul Revere is riding to sound the warning. Will you roll over and go back to sleep?

Mr. Sheeple@f....... wrote:
I just said that I was aware of the Illuminati, and what it stood for. I never did claim full knowledge of the sordid details. One does not need to know the chemical composition of poisons to know of their deadly effects.

Perhaps you should be sending out press releases containing your contention and knowledge in order to spread the word rather than filling my inbox with lengthy items. That way, you could reach far more people than merely lecturing me. RHB

Sheeple Analyst:

It's quite unfortunate that you can only see the warning about the Illuminati so negatively as a lecture. The knowledge about the Illuminati you had is like almost everything else you have shared with me: casual, incomplete, incorrect and superficial. You DO need to have enough information to be able to recognize the hand of the Illuminati. Your belief systems and information bank seems rather devoid of this knowledge and casual acquaintance with these facts is nowhere near enough. Without it nothing makes sense except to keep on with the silly partisan politics and carping of Democrats against Republicans and vice versa. I'd certainly appreciate not having such nonsense in my inbox any longer. On the other hand, if you are interested in real research and discussion about things that really matter, I would be pleased to make your acquaintance.

But don't worry about my reaching people. Your communications have spurred me to writing even more material for people who really DO care and really DO wish to know how to understand this crazy world filled with crazy people

Mr. Sheeple@f............. wrote:

Oh, lighten up! I just sent you that item about the Pope calling for "A New World Order" because I found it ironic, because he head of the Catholic church calling for a new world order as is the anti-religious Illuminati. Of course, the Pope is speaking in terms of Christianity rather than a dictatorial world government.

The coming new world order by the Illuminati, CFR, and other organizations concerning the NWO, I have known about for many years. Nothing has ever been done about it to make sure their goals are not attained, and it is doubtful that efforts to circumvent it's goals will ever come to pass due to the strength of the organization. Lacking documentary proof of who is involved as a member of that conspiracy and their workings, much of it is speculative because they know how to conceal involvement and operate in a clandestine manner so as to avoid exposing their agenda to scrutiny. It was established in the 1700s and has yet to emerge to accomplish the objectives. It may come to fruition, and then it may not.

Knowing all the details of how it was established and how it operates is one thing. Stopping it from carrying out the plan for a new world order is something that everyone talking and warning about, but no one suggests how establishment of the new world order can be averted by offering a solution to the problem. A means of averting onset of an insidious one world government many psychics have stated is in the works and will occur.

Sheeple Analyst:

I find it ironic that when it slaps you in the face you just smile because you think its just about religion. But you know nothing. Educating yourself about it beyond a few surface comments would be a useful start. If you knew enough you would see that they have accomplished nearly everything that they need to bring it to fruition. I've given you evidence of that on the dollar bill. 911 was proof that they had wired down the media Hidden in plain sight is not such a great feat given the stupidity of people and the success of their dumbing down process. Lighten up? When they light you up like a torch for one of their festivals you might suddenly have a different perspective on that phrase. Or when your children or grandchildren are sacrificed on one of the several the holy days, you'll have different perspective then, too. Glib and flippant comments do not pass as intelligence and knowledge in this school of hard knocks.

And waiting for the cavalry might be a false promise. It could be that this is a test of spiritual discernment and that those who couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag will go along their own way and others ascend to another level of being. Kind of a separation of the sheep from the goats although the reference animals might be misleading given the penchant to unenlightened sheeple to stand about while the wolves decimates the flock.

Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote:

Europe Wants to Rival US as Military Superpower, Says EU Parliamentarian

The above URL is for a story concerning the European Union ambition to become a military superpower to rival that of the United States. It is interesting to note that Herbert W. Armstrong of the WWCG we used to attend in the '70s preached about a coming "United States of Europe" (European union) that would rise or seek to rise militarily to impose a "one world government".

Of course, your stilted mind will misconstrue the above as an assumed "hangup" on religion, as you belligerently state in this email to which I am responding. You insist on believing that despite my assertions to the contrary. Is it because I do not share your belligerence regarding organized religion that I regard as "churchianity", and that I believe people have a constitutional right of individual religious belief and an equal right of free speech to express their beliefs according to the Constitution? If so, then you have gone off half cocked. It is interesting that in a previous email lambasting me for an alleged "hangup" on religion as per your misconceptions based on self-righteous legend in your own mind, you mentioned you had put up a "few lights". Am I correct in assuming a string of red, green and blue "christmas lights" Christianity adopted from the Roman pagan lights of Saturnalia? If so, then you are being quite hypocritical in alluding to an alleged beliefe or "hangup" on relgion. We have not attended, adhered to or accepted any kind of religious belief since 1975. But the facts will probably not dissuade you from your selif-rightous beliefs and assmption to the contrary. RHB

Sheeple Analyst:

Not through assumption but observation, I have consistently referred to your religiosity in regard to the MANNER in which you think or don't think, not the content of your thought. Your religious "hangup" is the process and the rigid political dogmas you adopt from your new "faith," the GOP. You continually misconstrue or ignore facts or analysis in the same pattern as before you left "churchianity." You just took the infrastructure with you and left the content behind. Since then you have been filling that infrastructure with a new content to which you commit your total allegiance through your faith in your current adopted belief system. No matter the facts, your belief system holds fiercely against all attempts to present another reality. You can hold only one reality and do not permit yourself to examine it honestly or compare it with alternatives. That is the mode of the religious fanatic, the fundamentalist. You are not a church fundamentalist. You are a party fundamentalist and cannot think outside the party dogma. It's your belligerent insistence on not thinking that creates the rage in your own mind along with my insistence on truth and the search for truth. That makes you very uncomfortable. Obviously, I'm not interested in making you comfortable, just capable of recognizing the horror you and all of us are facing in the near future..

What you see as belligerence is assertive insistence on intellectual honesty and critical thinking as attitude and process in a no-holds-barred approach to gathering facts and analyzing them. New facts demand a re-examination of the world-view moment-to-moment. Your belief system demands total allegiance to the content of your faith, whereas my belief system is in constant flux as new information becomes available and requires no self-blinding to alternative thoughts. Your belief system is religious even if the content is not "churchianity."

Once again you have created a legend in your own mind about my "belligerence regarding organized religion" where, in fact, I have been invited to speak and teach at organized churches. In the fall of 2002, I was invited to speak at several organized "churches" across the country. But that's a fact you conveniently drop out of mind because it doesn't fit with the legend in your own mind about me. (And you are incorrect about the colored lights. The lights were white and are used no matter the holiday to brighten up the house on the inside in winter.) I understand your facts about your divorce from "churchianity" but I wasn't referring to that. And I haven't been attacking anyone's religious beliefs, just commenting on the danger of believing anything religiously while walling off constant re-examination in a determined search for the truth. If you have difficulty with the full definition of "religious" check a dictionary. It refers to the manner not just the content. Again you have assumed you understand when your understanding does not go deeply enough. And referring to my pursuit of truth as self-righteous reflects your belief system about righteousness. Being free of belief in a church is not the same as being free of believing in a religious manner.

And the Pope was NOT talking about achieving peace through a new international order just in the Christian or Roman Catholic Church. Perhaps you forget that the Vatican is also recognized by many countries, including our own, as a sovereign state and has been active politically since being assembled and organized by Emperor Constantine in 325 CE.


Mr. Sheeple@f........ sent:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/May20040102.shtml

Sheeple Analyst:

Unstrung from the facts of history, reading that nonsense makes sense.

In their holy scriptures it says that Joshua following God's command murders and ethnically cleanses the "Promised Land" setting the example for the 20th century Zionists. Zionism began with the Torah, not with Theodore Herzl.

"When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations...then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them and show them no mercy." Deuteronomy 7:1-2, NIV
The Babylonian Talmud, Judaism's holiest book declares, "The gentiles are outside the protection of the law and God has "exposed their money to Israel." Baba Kamma 37b

Historians have shown that the "Jews" of Europe are not the "Semitic" Israelites but arose from the Khazars, a Turkic tribe converted to Judaism in the 8th century in the Caucuses who later migrated to Europe. Hence, Palestine today is controlled by non-biblical Jews

Theodor Herzl, an Austrian journalist who spoke no Hebrew or Yiddish, organized the Zionist movement in 1897. Publicly, he proclaimed Jews and Arabs are equal. Privately he spoke of transferring Palestinians out of their land "discreetly expropriate their land." Blood money for dispossessing the Palestinians came from Baron de Rothschild of the Illuminati family and American Jews in establishing the "Jewish National Land Fund".

For 55 years the Pro-Israel media has indoctrinated Americans to associate terrorism with "Islam" and Arabs. In reality, it's Israel that invented modern terrorism as a means of its establishment

The first use of truck and car bombs as weapons of "terrorism" in the Middle East were committed by Jewish terrorists On July 22, 1946 the first car bomb in the MidEast was used by the Irgun, a Zionist terrorist group led by Menachem Begin (Nobel Peace Prize winner) to blow up the King David Hotel in Jerusalem killing 91 people---41 Arabs, 28 Britons, and 17 Jews.

On January 4, 1948, the Zionist Irgun drove a truck loaded with explosives into the center of the Palestinian City of Jaffa, killing 26 and wounding 100 men, women, and children.

The Stern Gang, headed by Yitzhak Shamir, assassinated the British Colonial Secretary Lord Moyne in Cairo on November 6. 1944 and Swedish U.N. Envoy Count Folke Bernadotte in Jerusalem on September 17, 1984; both for advocating a just solution for the Palestinians.

Both terrorist groups, Irgun and the Stern gang, were responsible for the wholesale massacre of the village of Deir Yassin on April 9, 1948 killing 254 Palestinian men, women, and children. Menachem Begin even boasted of this massacre in his book "Revolt" calling himself "Terrorist Number One."

Zionists in Israel committed the first airline hijacking on December 12, 1954 when the Israeli airforce forced a Syrian civilian plane to land inside Israel.

Due to Jewish terrorism the British abandoned Palestine and returned its Mandate to the U.N. on May 14, 1948.
Under heavy American pressure, the United General Assembly (G.A.) issued the following three important Resolutions:

November 29,1947: G. A. Resolution 181: Partition Plan: (Britain Abstained)

- Israel Gets 56% of Land (despite owning only 7%) for 33% of population.
- Palestinians: Get 44% of Land for 67% of population.


- Jerusalem to be an International City (Arabs opposed it because it's against UN Charter to partition a country against the will of the majority population)

December 11, 1948: G.A. Resolution 194

- "Right of Return": Allows for Repatriation and/or Compensation of Palestinian Refugees

May 11, 1949: G.A. Resolution 273:

- Admits Israel into the U.N. on CONDITION it accepts the two General Assembly Resolutions 181 (Partition) & 194 (Right of Return of Palestinians).

Since 1947, the U.N. has failed to resolve the Arab-Israeli conflict despite passing over 300 U.N. Resolutions against Israel, 85 of them by the Security Council alone with U.S. support. However, the U.S. has vetoed 36 Security Council Resolutions that shielded Israel from any criticism or responsibility for its aggressive military policies, including most recently shielding Israel from world condemnation for attacking Syria.

No nation on earth has been so condemned by the World as Israel while it arrogantly dismisses the world as long as it has America in its pocket. As Sharon screamed to Peres during a cabinet meeting: "WE CONTROL AMERICA" (Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio)

Ignored in the 1948 war are the six months between November 1947 (U.N. Resolution 181) until May 15, 1948 during which Israel terrorized and expelled the Palestinians in its partitioned area and demolishing over 500 Palestinian Villages. It was only in retaliation to this war that Arab armies invaded Palestine..

President Truman and the U.N. called for a peace conference in Lausanne, Switzerland in 1949 to "achieve a final settlement of all questions" following the 1948 war. The U.S. position was that Israel must ACCEPT U.N. Resolution 181 (Partition Plan) and 194 (Right of Return) and withdraw from newly occupied territory. The Arabs AGREED to the U.S. position, Israel REJECTED it refusing to accept responsibility for the Palestinian refugees.

In 1966, to start a war, Israel begins attacking and taking Syrian farms at Golan.

- Syria signs Defense Pact with Egypt, Jordan.

- Egypt asked United Nations forces to leave, and blocks Sharm al-Sheikh port and Israeli port Eilat.

- Israel told the U.S. it will launch Pre-Emptive Attack

- Israel won the war and occupied the Sinai, West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem

- UN imposed a cease-fire on June 9, but Israel violated the cease-fire and took the Golan Heights.

- Israel deliberately attacks USS Liberty Naval Ship: 34 Americans killed and 171 injured (covered up by Lyndon Johnson)

- US introduces Security Council Resolution 242 (11/22/67) demanding Israel's complete withdrawal from the Occupied Territories.

1978 War: .

- First Israeli invasion of southern Lebanon to drive guerillas out of south and establish a buffer zone on 10 percent of southern Lebanon.

- UN Security Council Resolution 425 of March 21,1978 demanding Israel's withdrawal: By then, Israel had destroyed 82 villages, killed 1000, and displaced 160,000

- Israel establishes the Southern Lebanese Army, a Christian Lebanese militia of 2,000 fighters at cost of $35 Million/year (American funded).

- U.N. establishes UNIFIL force in south.

6. 1982 War:

- SHARON's War: to drive out the PLO from Lebanon and establish a Pro-Israeli Christian President, Bashir Gemayel of the Phalangist Party.

- For 3 months Beirut was besieged and bombed from land, sea, and air, cutting off water, electricity, food and medicines.

- Allowed Christian Phalangists over 3 days to kill 2000 Palestinian civilians in Sabra and Shatila Camps.

- Multinational force from US/England/France/Italy were deployed to ensure safe withdrawal of PLO with promise to protect the refugee camps. Failed to do so, thus Sharon's massacre in Sabra and Shatila. Sharon found guilty by Israel for the massacre. No war crime trial for Sharon, courtesy of America.

- Because of Israel's murder of 20,000 Palestinian and Lebanese civilians using American money, weapons and protection, Americans paid the price as targets in the bombing of U.S. Embassy and Marine Barracks, courtesy of Sharon, Bush's "Man of Peace"

Abu Nidal has been under the pay and control of Mossad for the past 18 years.

Hamas has been under the pay and control of Mossad.

On September 10, 1972 then Ambassador George H. Bush cast America's first veto shielding Israel from condemnation for its attack upon Syrian, Lebanese, and Palestinian civilians killing 200-500 people; a day after the Munich Olympic terrorist attack. Thirty one years later his son, George W. Bush, vetoes UN Security Council Resolution condemning Israel for attack on Syria. And so the Illuminati Agenda continues from Joshua, to Jesus throwing out the moneychangers, to Menachem Begin, Yitzhak Shamir, and Ariel Sharon. Non-semitic Khazars hiding behind chants of anti-Semitism, just as the Warburgs, Rothschilds, Kuhns, Loebs, and Thyssens hiding behind the German Jews brought on the Holocaust (which didn't actually happen) according to Lavrenti Beria, Jewish head of Soviet KGB.

Learn your lesson well, indeed. Knowledge of history is NOT optional or propagandists will be your teacher. And then you end up looking like a fool who didn't pass his academic coursework in history. You demand that for the students, why not for you?


Sheeple Analyst sent:

CNN.com - U.S. : Afghan poppy production doubles - Nov. 28, 2003 with the comment:

One of the protocols of the Illuminati is to cause the Goyim to lose their moral compass through drugs. One of the ways the Illuminati have earned obscene amounts of money is by smuggling drugs when illegal. So the War on Drugs is a police action limiting who can smuggle drugs and the War on Terrorism has been used to increase the production of drugs for this purpose--during both Democratic and Republican administrations. The Taliban weren't models of democracy but neither are the Northern Alliance leaders who are now in control of the drug trade once again and the poppies are grown in profusion. Karzai is OUR guy installed by our insistence. The Northern Alliance are OUR coalition partners. Bush II opened the gates for heroin production and distribution from Afghanistan

Mr. Sheeple@f........... wrote:
Ok! I have long been aware of that from news sources other than the alternative media. Knowing about it will not solve the problem. What then do you suggest to address the problem? Merely wailing and complaining about it, or talking about it, will not solve the problem. Spreading the word is merely wishful thinking because it is doubtful that man people, due to schooling interfering with their education, will have no idea what you are talking about and will have a "so what" attitude as the younger generation turn to their video games and adults become enamored with sports. Perhaps you should write letters published in the news media to reach people who do not access your webiste.

Sheeple Analyst:

Interesting that you always talk about my "alternative sources" and you don't seem to notice that beyond your legend in your own mind about me, I use a lot of the sources you have been using, including this one that you had already read. When will you look at facts rather than the story in your mind.

What you can do is start putting the pieces together so that you can see the whole picture or at least enough of the pattern to understand what's going on. George W. Bush led US and British into an attack on Afghanistan against the Taliban (even though they had offered to deliver Osama to a Muslim tribunal in Pakistan, a US client state). The Taliban had destroyed most of the opium-poppy production so that only 4,210 acres were producing heroin base. Now, after the Western Illuminati appointed their man, Karzai, in the Afghani capitol, Kabul, and the Northern Alliance client warlords in charge of the rest of the country, opium poppy production has escalated to 36 times the Taliban level. What did we go into Afghanistan to accomplish! We still don't have bin Laden when we could have had him on a silver platter ready to slice and dice in a courtroom. The Taliban is not destroyed, just out of power and the people we have placed into power are permitting or encouraging the rapid expansion of poppy production. We've accomplished a booming business in opium poppies while our forces are still in the country attacking and killing people as the drug business roars on unperturbed.

And you read that and were not at all perturbed that you had been lied to and that YOUR chosen leader has followed the orders of the Illuminati to increase the heroin production. American troops have been in-country for over 2 years and no attempt was made to stop the return of the poppy fields. This places YOU in direct responsibility because you have supported the liar with your vote and your words. You have shown NO initiative to make any changes or to hold them to their words. You are their soldier, saluting and snapping your heels, and shouting YES SIR!! Orders are orders, SIR!

And then you can't even answer to this egregious criminal behavior with anything more than, "Gosh! What am I supposed to do?" even as you continue to support this action by your words and deeds. But you only can follow the party line. Orwell's society is perfect for you. Spreading the word is the ONLY thing and you haven't the courage to even read my words to know what is going on and do your own research in media that you don't normally read. Your world has become very small because of YOUR choice. The sources you have followed religiously lead you around by the hormones and you just bawl and wail and complain to me that you can't do anything, everybody is just too dumbed down or unaware. That's a projection. Look to yourself. Or not.

News papers are careful what articles they publish. I face censorship of my thoughts and words. Instead I provide over a thousand people a day a chance to get another look at the news and commentary from another perspective and both of us are searching the Internet for news and participating on message boards. But I will take this to the Letters to the Editors nevertheless. I must continually challenge censorship.


Mr. Sheeple@f........... wrote:
Well, so much for the allegation that the Bush adminstration blew the cover for Joe Wilson's wife.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/1/2/131536.shtml

Sheeple Analyst:

Really? Please point out the specific fact that would support that allegation. It seems to be clear that this latest slice of salacious news does not change the fact of the Federal felony committed by the leak to Robert Novak. It just provides distraction about the facts. Given that the facts in the case have not changed, this sexing up the scandal gets the attention of a lot of old men and gets them steaming and off track.

The facts still remain that a CIA undercover operative in a highly sensitive mission fighting the War on Terrorism from the inside was exposed by an intentional leak by a senior official of the Bush Administration, thus destroying the entire mission of that operative, and the CIA cover company for which she worked undercover for years has been exposed and all those who had contact with that company are now suspect by their governments. All of the other employees of the cover company are endangered and anyone who had associated with them are endangered. Years of undercover development of intelligence assets are lost.

And it certainly calls into question the Bush Administration's commitment to fighting the War on Terror when they can so easily and carelessly do so much damage to the intelligence gathering about Weapons of Mass Destruction and their availability to "terrorists." This not only reveals that they are crude and stupid people, it also reveals that they are liars about WMD and the War on Terrorism. Why else is Valerie Plame's mission so ill-treated? This is NOT just about Valerie Plame. We already know the facts generally, although we don't yet know who it was. Novak isn't telling, but he knows.
You're so delighted to have another sex story to tell that you've apparently missed the primary significance of the scandal. So tickled to flash a sex story that you forget what it's all about, beyond the playground gaming of "us against them." Well, this isn't playground gaming. Taking sides against the truth will only hurt everybody. And taking the side that just destroyed the intelligence gathering for Weapons of Mass Destruction in the War on Terrorism doesn't seem very smart. So much for the allegation that George W. Bush is smart or gives a rat's a@@ about the reality of "terrorism." And so much for the allegation that Newsmax really believes there is a foreign terrorist threat if they gigglingly publish their sexed up propaganda to distract from the real issues. Here is where people and organizations show their true colors. Ashcroft already showed his by allowing the White House a 24-hour running head start at the White House shredding machines.


Sheeple Analyst sent a graphic joke called Plastic surgery for Michael and added:

Take a break! Loosen up a bit! Could it be that Michael has?

Subject: Plastic surgery

Michael Jackson has just commissioned his plastic surgeon to do just one more operation. His request to the surgeon was to do anything to keep people from staring at his nose.

The doctor surprised Michael and came up with a solution.

Upon the viewing after the bandages were removed, all agreed that the doctor was very creative and the operation was a huge success. Nobody will look at his nose again. Geez! No sense of humor? Get a grip! I sent it for a laugh! You know......ha! ha! ha! ha! Like that! I had tears in my eyes and thought you could use a good laugh, too. I didn't think it was anti-Bush. Was it? It was forwarded. FW. You know what that means, right? I got it, laughed for ten minutes and then sent it to you so you could laugh.....and loosen up a bit. "Laughing is the closest thing to enlightenment," Osho once said, because while laughing all prejudice and belief falls away in the pure ecstasy of the nonsense of reality. Hell is not the matter with me, nothing is the matter with me because I know WHO I am. Taking yourSelf too seriously is surely hell because then you have identified with "what" instead of WHO. Identified with "what," seriousness and struggle occur. Identified with nothing, change trying to grab a changing "what" has nothing to attach to and has no effect on WHO you really are.

Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote:
What the hell is the matter with your? Are you getting to be addlebrained as you accuse me of being just because I do not go along with your assessment of things? Why send this to me with the admonition to take a breakl! Loosen up a bit! could it be that Micheal has? I never sent the damned thing!!! In the "from" line, it states it was not from me. RhB

Sheeple Analyst: Geez! No sense of humor? Get a grip! I sent it for a laugh! You know......ha! ha! ha! ha! Like that! I had tears in my eyes and thought you could use a good laugh, too. I didn't think it was anti-Bush. Was it? It was forwarded. FW. You know what that means, right? I got it, laughed for ten minutes and then sent it to you so you could laugh.....and loosen up a bit. "Laughing is the closest thing to enlightenment," Osho once said, because while laughing all prejudice and belief falls away in the pure ecstasy of the nonsense of reality and nothing is take seriously. Hell is not the "matter" with me, nothing is the "matter" with me because I know WHO I AM. I "matter" for the fun of it. Taking yourSelf too seriously is surely hell because then you have identified with "what" instead of WHO. Identified with "what," seriousness and struggle occur. Identified with nothing, change trying to grab a changing "what" has nothing to attach to and has no effect on WHO you really are.

You gotta stay light to be the light of the world.


Sheeple Analyst sent: Hello, I think the following article will interest you:

20-12-2003
Daughter of slain Iraqi opposition leader says in 1993 US helped Saddam to quash coup attempt

"He may be a son of a bitch, but he's OUR son of a bitch," they used to say.

Mr. Sheeple@f....... wrote:
Hell, Bush was not even President then, and your main beef is against Bush and the Republicans while making casual anti-Clinton-Democrat comments. You seemed to support the Democrats in 2000 when you bitched about the supreme court allegedly giving the election to Bush and ylou have been on an anit-Bush tirade since while saying little or nothing about Democrats.

There are many instances of the U.S. meddling in foreign affairs with the resultant backfire. Kennedy and his administration engineered the assasination of Diem in Viet nam before the Viet Nam war, to cite one
example. RHB

No YOU believe my main beef is against Bush. It's YOUR legend in your own mind that gets you off the track all the time. You haven't been paying attention to my bipartisan finger-pointing because it doesn't fit YOUR story about me. And believing YOUR story about me facilitates getting far afield from the discussion instead of remaining focused on the issues. That way you don't have to deal with the lies and propaganda you swallow and spew. Here I present you with bipartisan evidence that Clinton policy was a continuation of the New World Order agenda of Reagan and Bush I, carried through to Bush II.

Instead, you only seem to understand playground ethics of choosing up sides instead of looking objectively and rationally at the real facts of history and contemporary politics. Look how you continually bring up the tiresome old tirade of how I was unhappy with the pResident being appointed by five Supreme Court Justices his father had appointed earlier by their ruling against a state following its own statutes for conducting an election. So much for the Sovereignty of states within a federal system. It was Sovereigns who empowered their political construct, a State, to form a Federal Government in which the powers of the Federal Government are sharply limited.

My position had little to do with the person selected to be pResident and everything to do with the principle of a limited federal government. I would have thought such an honored conservative principle would be well established in your world-view, but your loyalty to party over the US Constitution over-ruled that. Party was and is more important than principle for you and indicates the status of your moral compass.

So instead of dealing with the facts you shift the discussion into a polemic about me. That's a tawdry switcheroo that's about as honest as a Halliburton contract. Even attacking your story about me is out of place in an honest, intellectual, objective, rational discussion. You've become so steeped in the methodology of the rabid commentators that you fall readily into the mode that they use all the time to divide and enflame. This is also the agenda of those who are delivering the dictatorship of the New World Order.

And you are correct that Kennedy intervened in the government of other nations and triggered the assassination of their leaders. Assassination is a time-worn crime of the Illuminati agents of both the Democratic and Republican Parties, but that is off the track of the facts I exposed for you. I provided evidence that Saddam was a patsy of the Zionist traitors of this nation and was under their protection even while their rhetoric was castigating him as a villain on a par with Hitler and Stalin. This evidence of the lie in that rhetoric should not be beaten down with lies, innuendo, and outright mythologizing.

Do you have a moral compass and, if so, where is it pointed?

In case you haven't noticed, the undercurrent of this discussion is HOW you twist and turn instead of confronting the facts and realities head on and without prejudice. Can you remain principled, honest, ethical, and moral in a headlong no-holds-barred search for the truth? Can you think critically about your own thoughts and beliefs? Can you examine your motives and feelings without getting caught up in them, reacting instead of determining right action? Do you have the courage to be honest with yourSelf, honest to God? Can you stand in the midst of turmoil and uncertainty and know WHO you are is not at the effect of a sea of "what" masquerading as reality? Can you watch yourSelf writhing in agony as "what" tries desperately to hold on to "what" is not real and is only the game played for the benefit of WHO?

Mr. Sheeple@f........ wrote:
Well, it is true! Bush has been your main complaint. You sure were upset following the 2000 election when you complained about Bush allegedly being given the election by the supreme court and you initially had nary a bad word about Clinton. in fact, you even defended him.....especially when I expressed irritation that he was fooling around with Lewinsky and you replied that he could F... anyone he wanted to! Of course, you are going to deny ever saying that, but the emails went when I went to windows 98, so cannot retrieve them. Ah, the hell with it

Sheeple Analyst: It's really difficult getting this through to you but you keep saying why dwell in the past cuz nothing can be done about it. That's your excuse for not looking into the past for the patterns. Well, you can look for patterns in the past but although Clinton is part of that pattern, he is no longer the President and he is no longer creating policy. So he isn't on stage at the moment and Bush is. Is that too hard to understand? You are the one dwelling on the past in a way that ensures that nothing can be done about it.

Clinton will remain in focus for me as he fits into the larger pattern of the unfolding New World Order. In fact, he plays quite a role in Project Monarch information that I've published on my web pages this past week.

But Bush is center stage right now and what he does has an immediate impact on America. Clinton is nonetheless working behind the scenes but we can't always ferret out what is happening there. We can only look at what is before us and that's George Bush. And you can't defend George Bush just by pointing into the past and crying about Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinski. We have a mess here and now that is connected to that past. We have to clear the head of the stupid loyalist cobwebs, stop the silly partisan bickering and get down to First Causes, real facts, real effects, and use the most objective, logical, rational, critical thinking we can muster. Our freedom depends upon it.

So get a clear head and understand this. I focus on George Bush because he is now the pResident in charge of the New World Order on center stage and therefore the clearest manifestation of that New World Order.

I don't have to deny anything about what I've said about Monica and Bill. I've already explained my position about consenting adults vs Project Monarch sex slaves but you haven't paid attention to that and keep on the same silly prattle that I've already answered to. If you haven't the moxie to play this game with all your wits, then you shouldn't pretend that you can. Read and respond to what I say, not what you imagine I say. Don't keep bringing up issues that have been addressed. If you haven't the time or energy to read my responses, you don't have the time or energy to write an email to me. It's that simple. If you keep getting caught up in your emotions, you get off track anyway and that is tiresom and pointless. What you see as anger is simply being clear and direct. If it pains you, look for why that is. You will find that I am not the cause. I'm not angry with you, just impatient at telling you so much from my knowledge, experience and more and repeating it over and over just to have you come back with the same argument as though I had not addressed it.


Sheeple Analyst thought you would like this site.
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/123003A.shtml

Mr. Sheeple@f........ wrote:
With out full access to all the information on which the story was based, you automatically assume it is true due to your desire to fuel your anti-Bush sentiments. Joe Wilson has been proven a liar ragarding the alleged exposure of his wife as an alleged CIA operative when information has been presented that she was merely an employee. Novac has been vindicated.

Sheeple Analyst:

Then YOU must know something that Attorney General Ashcroft doesn't know. He apparently thinks the evidence warrants his stepping aside for another prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald. He made that announcement this morning. Why don't you send him an email right away and tell him that all of that is unnecessary. Quick! Maybe you could keep him from making an embarrassing mistake! You can check out several news reports so you can pick one that you trust. Go to:
http://search.news.yahoo.com/search/news/?c=&p=Ashcroft

Good luck. Hope you can get through to him in time! And while you're at it, notify the news media, too!

BTW: I didn't know this was about Bush! I had understood that a "senior White House official" had leaked the information, not Bush! Well, I'm relieved that you handled that with aplomb!

Bob Novak spells his name with a K at the end. You might have been thinking of Ernie Kovacs. He was a comedian about 25 years ago. Could be you mixed him up with the journalist and right-wing pundit. Easy to make that mistake.

Mr. Sheeple@f........... wrote:
Saw that story on Newsmax

Sheeple Analyst:

But Newsmax wouldn't be carrying anything about that lie, would they? You did tell Ashcroft didn't you? He surely needs to know what is really true. He just doesn't have your sources. What were your sources on that story, by the way?


Mr. Sheeple@f....... wrote:

Another story about Howard Dean proclaiming a religious faith, or "religious shit" as you referred to it regarding Bush! RHB http://www.townhall.com/columnists/jaybryant/jb20031230.shtml

Sheeple Analyst:

I can see that Howard Dean is keeping you entertained! It bores me. Like reading the fan mail of the garbage collector. I told you that information about Howard Dean I consider spam. So keep your Dean emails to home. I've written him off months ago.

Mr. Sheeple@f......... wrote:

No, he does not keep me "entertained". You can keep your spiteful anti-Bush emails at home, as well.

Sheeple Analyst:

Since when is telling the truth spiteful? You keep dipping into the "anti-"cue as programmed. Your belief in party and leaders is anti-democratic, anti-American, and anti-quated.


Mr. Sheeple@f........... wrote:
Bet this story has you doing handsprings, whooping and yelling while riccocheting off the walls.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20031231/D7VPD3N00.html

Sheeple Analyst:

Thanks, I'd seen that. Didn't react the way you imagined, though. Sorry to disappoint you. And spell ricochet without the double "cc," Sam. Strange that you see it only in light of a silly egoistic contest with me instead of a corporation that continues to pay the Vice President in "back pay" who got a government contract without competitive bidding stealing from the troops and the American people. I should get ecstatic when a belated, inadequate justice finally prevails? Where is the joy in that? Shouldn't we expect that there be an independent counsel to investigate the theft by Halliburton's subsidiary as well as the corporate executives involved in a federal felony? Where is your conservatism now when your pocket has been picked by your leaders? Where is your pro-militarism now when the troops were cheated once again by a leakage of the military budget into corporate pockets?


Mr. Sheeple@f......... wrote:

lacking specific details, how do you know that President Bush perhaps admitted he had written it after she made the comment on Meet the Press? Or, perhaps she was bragging a bit, no crime in that. Only someone with a tendency to see the bad and proclaim it such, such as yourself, would call that a deliberate lie and claim that she reflects the lies of the administration. One thing that bothers me is your tendency to make a mountain out of a mole hill by overreating to a remark you perceive in the context of your antagonitic approach, something I do not share. I see nothing wrong with her comments. It is not fair to make accusations on face value of the situation where background information does not exist. RHB

Sheeple Analyst:

Laura's comment was made over two months prior to Meet the Press. Didn't you at least check the dates before making your assertion, "how do you know that President Bush perhaps admitted he had written it after she made the comment on Meet the Press." No doubt she WAS bragging a bit. But then when she admitted that he hadn't written it she could have at least apologized or explained how she had misunderstood or been mislead. It could have been just a simple admission with no guilt.

Mountains out of molehills? Couldn't you just once read what I wrote and respond to that instead of free-lancing with your own legends. "No one went to war for this lie. No one was hurt in the slightest by this lie. Not in this country or any other. But it serves with clarity in pointing toward the moral decline of this nation." Is a little lie innocuous?

Big Lies have little lies
upon their backs to bite'em

Bill Clinton's "little lie" about not having sex with "that woman" got him impeached and you have not backed away from "over-reacting" to such a little thing, a personal intimacy between two adults. Normally, our Constitutional Bill of Rights is supposed to prevent the invasion of such privacy and such invasion is the handiwork of the liberals for whom the power of the State should have a greater value than the privacy of individuals. Odd you taking the liberal position instead of the conservative one. It was quite interesting and revealing to watch the "conservatives" take such an interest in the private intimacy of adults.

I look forward to your explanation and justification of that. Probably something along the lines of "he did it in the White House." Not a valid excuse, that's where he lives, too. "He did it while on government time." He has flexible hours perhaps or he put in his 8 hours that day or.... whatever. Invalid excuse. "He lied under oath." He shouldn't have even been asked that question and he certainly shouldn't have answered, taking the fifth, his constitutional right. Stupid issue, hence my response.

Mr. Sheeple@f.......... wrote:

I looked up the Meet the Press item from last sunday, I see nothing regarding "lieing" as you alleged in your 7th fire item! She noted that she did not think President Bush wrote it, but said that many people think he did! Seems to me you are so set on denigrating Bush, his wife and his administration that you read into items concepts that do not exist. Nothing is stated as to its origin, so I do not see where there exists the lie that you suggest. Considering the anti-Bush atttitude of the media, there would have certainly been a big flap had what you claim is true. RHB

MRS. BUSH: Upon returning home last night from my long trip, I found a lovely poem waiting for me. Normally I wouldn't share something so personal, but since we're celebrating great writers, I can't resist. "Dear Laura, roses are red, violets are blue. Oh, my lump in the bed, I've missed you. Roses are red, bluer am I, seeing you kissed by that charming French guy. The dogs and the cat, they miss you, too. Barney's still mad you dropped him. He ate your shoe. The distance, my dear, has been such a barrier. Next time you want an adventure, just land on a carrier."

(End videotape)

MR. RUSSERT: Now, who could have written that poem, huh? I mean, what...

MRS. BUSH: Well, of course, he didn't really write the poem. But a lot of people really believed that he did. That evening at the dinner, what some woman from across the table said: "You just don't know how great it is to have a husband who would write a poem for you."

MR. RUSSERT: Lump in the bed? What...

MRS. BUSH: Well, he did really call me that, of course, but...

MR. RUSSERT: Land on a carrier and you paid him back a little bit, huh?

MRS. BUSH: Yeah.

Sheeple Analyst:

I apologize. I made things too difficult for you. There were TWO links in that headline and you naturally only found one. And naturally you didn't go to its source at the White House. Here is the other link from the White House website:

For Immediate Release
Office of Mrs. Bush
October 3, 2003

Remarks by Mrs. Bush
National Book Festival Gala

Thank you, Dr. Billington, for your warm welcome, and many thanks to the Library of Congress for sponsoring the third National Book Festival. I appreciate our distinguished Members of the Cabinet and Members of Congress for being here. And a special thanks to the authors, poets, illustrators, and storytellers for giving us a reason to celebrate. Without you, we wouldn't have tales of mystery, history, and heroism. We wouldn't have characters to intrigue us or poems that inspire. And we wouldn't have good books to devour - as Julia Glass says, "...like a contestant in a pie-eating contest."

By helping to make the National Book Festival a success, you've also helped to inspire the first book festival in Russia. I returned from Moscow yesterday. There I joined Mrs. Putin for a celebration of children's literature and school libraries. R.L. Stine, author of the Goosebumps books, joined me. I wish you could have seen him weave a scary story with the children about a boy and a haunted car. The festival was truly a celebration of authors, books, and of freedom - the freedom to write and to read what we want.

Every person deserves to experience the joy of books. A good book is like an unreachable itch - you just can't leave it alone. Stories beckon us to toss aside all cares in the world - work, laundry, even sleep - to read and discover.

We delight in great works of literature and especially in the works of budding new artists. President Bush is a great leader and husband - but I bet you didn't know, he is also quite the poet. Upon returning home last night from my long trip, I found a lovely poem waiting for me. Normally, I wouldn't share something so personal, but since we're celebrating great writers, I can't resist.

Dear Laura,

Roses are red, violets are blue, oh my lump in the bed, how I've missed you.

Roses are redder, bluer am I, seeing you kissed by that charming French guy.

The dogs and the cat they miss you too, Barney's still mad you dropped him, he ate your shoe.

The distance my dear has been such a barrier, next time you want an adventure, just land on a carrier.

I'm happy to be the inspiration behind this poem.

Now you can squirm as much as you like. But trying to imagine who else misses her in bed heads down a line of inquiry you probably wouldn't like, either. Should we begin a corollary discussion about that? And trying to imagine who else is jealous about the Frenchman's kiss wouldn't be much better. So you're stuck with it.

Also notice the sentence prior to the one that begins the videotape. I bolded it above so you can see what was conveniently left out. Snip!! President Bush is a great leader and husband - but I bet you didn't know, he is also quite the poet. Upon returning home last night from my long trip, I found a lovely poem waiting for me. Normally, I wouldn't share something so personal, but since we're celebrating great writers, I can't resist.

And if he didn't actually write it, notice how it can be strongly implied without stating the actual lie. Every implication that it was written by her husband was made.

  • he is also quite the poet.
  • Upon returning home last night from my long trip, I found a lovely poem waiting for me.
  • Normally, I wouldn't share something so personal
  • oh my lump in the bed, how I've missed you
  • bluer am I, seeing you kissed by that charming French guy
  • next time you want an adventure, just land on a carrier.

This is just a wee sample of how the news is manipulated. I'm surprised that you expected Tim Russert to announce that she told a lie. That would not be good form, you know, pretty Laura, and who holds his contract, after all. He is NOT a free agent. None of the corporate news media employees are. Your lame lament that the media is anti-Bush is pitiful and here is just a tiny expose' of that. You've been listening to too many rabid, ultra-conservative propagandists flapping their vile invective. In the same set of headlines was another example of The Washington Post carrying out the garbage for the CIA with their obviously biased reporting about Hugo Chavez of Venezuela. Laura's little faux-pas isn't really very important in and of itself, but it shows the penchant for telling lies. Little lies, bigger lies, deadly lies. Paraphrasing Ogden Nash:

Big Lies have little lies
upon their backs to bite'em
And little lies have smaller lies
So on and on ad infinitum

So if you find the smallest lies
uncover them and smite'em
because those ugly monster lies
Are another impeachment item
Allen Aslan Heart
Winner of the Ogden Nash Tick Award

This is a measure of how far your moral compass has swung. Or to find if you still have one. Only you know the answer to that. No one went to war for this lie. No one was hurt in the slightest by this lie. Not in this country or any other. But it serves with clarity in pointing toward the moral decline of this nation, something Joe Farrah mentioned, I believe. And Cal Thomas. And Rush...... It points to the philosophy of Prince Machiavelli who advocated that any lie is warranted for the survival of the State. Where is your compass pointing? Do you have one? This has been a test of your personal early warning system. Tune to your inner voice for further instruction. And if you can't hear it, shut the mouth, turn off the mind and sit there until you can hear it. Or not.

Mr. Sheeple@f........... wrote:

I suppose you agree with Mondale and his criticism, though you are careful to not criticize Democrats as latent socialists. Walter Mondale Loses It

Sheeple Analyst:

Hee, hee, hee. I don't know. Just a minute. Ha! Ha! I just spent the first five paragraphs laughing at the baldfaced lies: bing, bing, bing. Quite an extraordinary display of chutzpah! Let's see. Hee, hee, hee. Um. Whew!......

We recall how Carter proudly announced that the United States had overcome its "inordinate fear of Communism," famously planted a kiss on the cheek of Leonid Brezhnev, and then reacted with shock when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan ........Wow! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Zbigniew Brzezinski has already published THE GRAND CHESSBOARD - American Primacy And It's Geostrategic Imperatives, 1997 in which he outlined how the CIA had upset the Soviet foreign policy by manipulating the Soviets into their own version of Viet Nam in the mountains of Afghanistan. This is public information! And they expect every one who reads their nonsense hasn't heard the history of the destruction of the Soviet Union in their Afghani war. I'd guess that quite a few haven't but it shows their expectations of a dumbed down American public. Shock? Hardly. Perhaps for public consumption, but Carter PLANNED their involvement as surely as FDR set up the Japanese to attack Pearl Harbor to give him to bring America into the Second World War.

"We also recall how followers of Ayatollah Khomeini took 67 Americans hostage at the American embassy in Tehran. Over the succeeding 444 days, the Carter administration tried idle threats, vain pleas, and ineffectual military action to resolve the hostage crisis. Only the landslide election and subsequent inauguration of Ronald Reagan ultimately freed the hostages and ended the protracted national humiliation."

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

Have these guys considered stand up comedy? Like no one has ever heard of how George H.W. Bush negotiated with the Khomeini regime to provide the Iranians Tomahawk missiles in exchange for keeping the Americans Hostage until Reagan-Bush were elected. Remember the night of the inauguration the hostages were released? They had to remain hostage because Ghorbanifar had a deal! It's all in the Congressional Record from the IranContra Hearings! Like nobody even noticed! Wow! Thanks for delivering these bozos, Mr. Sheeple. It truly demonstrates how people adrift from a sense of what really happened can be bamboozled, flimflammed, and have their pockets picked. "A rube is born every minute." is the old con-man's adage.

And then roll in old Henry Kissinger, the premier Zionist traitor and war criminal for the final words on the Carter Administration, a man personally responsible for giving the permission to murder 200,000 East Timorese, set up the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia, and other atrocities too numerous to mention. Probably the blood of several million people on his hands and he is the light bringer for this Illuminati diatribe.....against one of their own, Mondale. How do you most efficiently fell a tree with a cross-cut saw? A man on each side of the tree, each one pulling, never pushing, back and forth until the tree falls. Well, it's a bit harder to laugh at Henry when you remember the carnage he has brought to the planet.

You still haven't found Leo Strauss. Pity. His neo-liberal philosophy is the ground for the neo-conservatives Perle, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Feith, and the other Zionist traitors. Neo-conservatives are not conservatives. Their roots and behavior are from Strauss. Their prime philosopher is Machiavelli. Know who he is?


"He thus ignores the necessity of overthrowing the Taliban regime in Afghanistan in order to deprive al Qaeda of its home base. He apparently thinks we should have kindly asked the Taliban to step aside after 9/11."

Blatant! The Taliban agreed to turn Osama over to a Pakistani court for trial! The Pakistanis are our agents in Muslim country, participating with us in the Afghani war with the Soviet Union, manager of the training camps for the Mujahideen, channel for the US funding of the al-Qaeda along with the Saudis. The Taliban were among those who provided warnings about a "terrorist attack." Which Bush ignored, of course. But then he ignored Africans, Russians, Germans, Egyptians and many others. See my previous emails outlining the utter nonsense these writers present to gaping fools who will accept their propaganda and revisionism. Of course, you didn't fall for any of this, did you? To fill a few gaps in your history of the War in Afghanistan see: Framing bin Laden

And I would guess that Mondale is an Illuminati agent like the Vice President that preceded him and the one that followed him. Can't get that close to the Presidency without being "chosen."

As for criticizing Democrats as latent socialists, I'd never do that because they are not latent. But then, the neo-cons are not latent either. Tweedle dum and Tweedle dummer are pretty much alike but one likes pork chops and the other chicken-fried steak. What *brilliantly delightful* partisan games you like to play! [There! Had to keep this positive so you wouldn't be offended by incivility.]


Mr. Sheeple@f..... wrote:
Laura Bush lieing? Do not know the circumstances, but Hillary Clinton lied big time about Vincent Foster's death as an alleged suicide but the paramedics noted thre was no blood and the gun by the body was an inoperable antique firearm. How about the billing records that suddenly turned up in the living quarters several months after the investigation panel requested them and she expressed a lack of knowledge as to their whereabouts. How about her contention that Billy Dale of the travel office had been involved in stealing, had him removed for alleged criminal activity, but was later exonerated after he had died. You never have said anything critical about her!

Sheeple Analyst:

Don't know the circumstances? Read the White House Press Briefing and the short article about her appearance on Meet the Press. Don't bother wondering. READ. Look at how transparent this is..... It's all laid out for you in black and white and you refuse to see it and the sources are not the contrivance of a "liberal Bush-hater." On the White House web site and on national TV. So instead of clicking on the links to determine the circumstances you start to provide cover for the First Lady. Spin-doctoring comes close. Just point the finger at, at, at...."Hillary......and Vince Foster's alleged suicide...... look, up in the sky, a bird, a.......... Hey kids! It's Howdy Doody time! It's Howdy Doody time!....You didn't say anything about Hillary! Ma! He didn't......" Lord a mercy! Plunk the magic twanger Froggie! I've already said my piece about Hillary. Look it up in the archives. There is no excuse for the song and dance.

Mr. Sheeple@f....... wrote:

I may have dumped it because your comments were buried in a lot of rhetoric of an arrogant, angry and accusing natire nature disparaging my character, and I get tired of that.

Sheeple Analyst:

"Only a fool imagines trying to rectify the past. And only a fool continues to incessantly bring it up when the answer has been given repeatedly." Did I call you a fool? What would YOU call someone who wishes to rectify the PAST? What would YOU call someone who must be constantly reminded of what was said earlier? Got a better name?

"But I am not satisfied with slogans nor the history lessons taught as slogans. I'm just holding a torch to these inept, useless fragments to determine their lack of value and then turn to deeper analysis. The wailing and whining I've been hearing is of no use to a carefully considered discussion." Perhaps you object to the comment about wailing and whining? Just returning your words to you. Don't like them coming back at you? Then change your own arrogance and incivility. Have I missed anything here? If that's it, then you just can't receive what you dish out. I can only suggest that you recognize that we are both adults and no longer is throwing sand in the sandbox OK. And if you do, get ready for a face full yourself. I'm no push over for abusive language, I know how to read it and how to deal with it. I know WHO I am and what I am not.

Mr. Sheeple@fgn.net wrote:
When Castro's revolution overthrew Batista in '59, I remember you rejoicing over that. Interesting that it apparently angered you that I refered to Castro as your "Buddy". You seem to forget that you have implied that very concept to me as if I was a strong supporter of Bush. In reality, he was the lesser of two evils in the 2000 election because Gore would have been just as bad as Clinton, if not worse in the Democrat's socialist liberal tendencies and anti-miltary stance.

Sheeple Analyst:

Well, now. You've been nurturing THAT grudge for a few years. I was 18 years old, 44 years ago. That's pretty funny. What does an 18 year old know? It certainly doesn't give you permission to assert that I am a buddy of Fidel in 2003. It didn't make me angry, just incredulous! I don't recall our conversation covering very much about Castro except as you chose to throw in my face your legend about me. To all of a sudden being a buddy of Fidel just because you say so is a bit of a surprise, but then you can come to some pretty surprising conclusions on farcical facts.

You identified yourself as a strong admirer of George W. Bush, second only to your admiration for Uncle Ronnie. (That's what the Monarch "chosen ones" were supposed to call Reagan) You admired his intelligence, his business acumen, his MBA from Harvard. There was nothing about him that you didn't seem to like. I explored all of those facets two years ago. I am surprised now to hear that you are NOT a loyal fan of George. You defended him as though you were family.

Mr. Sheeple@f......... wrote:

Oh, so you do not believe that Howard Dean is into that "religious shit", as you called it in a previous email. RHB

Sheeple Analyst:

Howard Dean is interesting to YOU not to me. "Religious shit" was your wording. And I don't believe ANYTHING Howard Dean says. I never said I did. Another legend in your own mind. You're making quite a spectacle of yourself. Get a grip.

Mr. Sheeple@f........... wrote
Why are you so vehemently against Bush and the Republican administration, but never bring up the negative aspects of the Democrats. Notably Hillary and Bill Clinton? How about Hillary's aborted efforts to create a socialist style national healtchcare system in '93? How about Clinton fooling around with Lewinsky off the oval office while taking calls from foreignt dignitaries. When I brought that up in a previous email, you defended his actions by saying that he could f.... anyone he wants to!

You proclaim yourself niether a Democrat or Republican, but you were curiously upset and claimed that Gore lost the 2000 election because the supreme court allegedly "gave it to Bush"! How about all the lies and absurd claims by Howard Dean, the presidential "wannabe" of the "Dummycrat" party. I do not have any examples offhand, but can sure find them with a little research. How about the pro-socialist concept of the infamous "Great Society" of the Johnsonera? Didn't Karl Marx and others envisioned a "Great society" based on government demanding and consuming 100percent of the GNP then provide for the people via social government spending programs? Didn't the infamous "Great Society" of the former USSR collapse economically in '89-'98 rather than create the world wide economic utopia?

You have never said anything adverse regarding Clinton's anti-military stance, decimating the military as "budget and spending cuts" to the point career officers and enlisted personnel quit in droves, the airforce had to cannibalize aircraft to keep some semblence of an airforce for defense purposes, Naval training exercises were curtailed due to lack of funds for fuel. That was the extent of Clinton-Gores "balanced budget" effort. You never said anything about the fact that the last recession began in '99 when the infamous "information age" collapsed because it was based on academic idealism rather than sound fiscal terms. A recession attrributed to the Bush administration that was not elected until November of 2000 and thus inherited the recession that began under your buddy Clinton's watch!

If you are neither Republican or Democrat, for whom will you vote in 2004? Or, what do you propose be done if neither the Republican or Democrat candidates are acceptable?

Sheeple Analyst:

Well, let's do a little scouting back into our history of conversation. I brought up the sex abuse of young boys covered up by the FBI during the Clinton Administration. At that time you came to Bill's defense assuring me that since he had not been present that he was somehow exculpated from the National Security designation that permitted the cover-up. Apparently, you've forgotten that.

For some strange reason you can't remember back one week when I included Bill, Hillary, Robert Byrd and others in the child sex abuse allegations of an adult, Cathy O'Brien who lived through horribly traumatic as a sex slave in Project Monarch. I gave you links to check out the story. Bet you didn't. Hillary was included there.

I told you about the Clinton's responsibility for criminal attacks on Iraq, Afghanistan, Sudan, the illegal intervention in Haiti, Somalia, the support of the sanctions on Iraq that singled out children by preventing the repair parts for water treatment, the passage of NAFTA, the participation in the orchestrating the massacres in Rwanda, the use of "depleted" uranium in Kosovo and Serbia, and the illegal drug business through the airport at Mena. YOU FORGOT ALL OF THAT? Perhaps you could print out this email and post it somewhere near your computer so you can remember a few of my criticisms of the Clinton's.

I've told you for a long time that I know that the Democrats are also complicit in the New World Order. Republicans happen to be running things now so it is not appropriate to blame the Democrats except for their remarkable ineptitude to mount an opposition to the Bush New World Order agenda. Of course, that's because it's the Democrats' agenda, too. I've traversed history pointing to the complicity of Woodrow Wilson, Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Truman, Johnson, and Carter in the New World Order and treason.

As far as Clinton and Lewinsky, IF she was a consenting adult and not a Monarch sex-slave, then it's none of our business. But now, the information I have received suggests to me that she was NOT necessarily a consenting adult but probably under a mind control program based on trauma and/or NASA high-tech mind control.

You probably haven't seen the now famous "Wink" that suggests Johnson's complicity in the assassination of JFK. It's on my website.

I've repeated to you many times my concern about the stealing of the 2000 election but you characterize it as my support of Gore. You never respond to my comments about the illegal scrubbing of the electoral rolls to remove over 100,000 eligible voters most likely to vote Democratic. You only support the legality of a questionable Supreme Court ruling in which the "Justices" stipulate that their decision cannot be used as a precedent and you quote false information from the media cover-up.

WHAT MORE DO YOU EXPECT? Get a grip. Not only have I mentioned this in emails to you, it's all over my website, which you never bother to check out. So you don't bother to get the facts when the facts are abundant and available and you forget or don't read what I send you personally. What am I supposed to do? You still haven't addressed the evidence I presented about "peace through strength" and yet you wish for me to be pro-military by proclamation instead of rational discussion. You're jumping into another controversy without resolving the previous dilemma. This jumping about is obviously a way to avoid honest intellectual debate. If "popcorn" analysis is what you're used to, you've got a bulldog on your leg and he ain't lettin' go. He doesn't appreciate you pissing on your shoes, though.

Mr. Sheeple@f........... wrote:
If Republicans are so bad, do you then support Democrats that are arguing and bickering like a bunch of kids in a sandlot ballgame? Or, do you plan on not voting then c omplain about the way the nation is going? You have a hatred for Bush and the Republicans, and if the Democrats are just as bad and worse, you have a wild choice on your hands in the next election. RHB

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/12/30/101050.shtml

You really get into the sandlot/playground mentality, don't you? I'm not very interested in the political debates and squabbles, but you seem to get a kick out of it. Strange. You also seem to think that the only way to have any participation in the way this country chooses to be in the world, is to vote. But if voting is skewed by eligible voters scrubbed from the election rolls, voting machines in use that have been demonstrated to be unreliable, and designed, manufactured, and distributed by corporations whose leadership have announced their intention to help ultra-conservatives win, and the Democratic Party little different in performance than the Republican Party, what is to be gained from voting? I have choices every day and I don't have to put all my eggs in the voting basket. Certainly have given you a list of alternatives a few days back but you probably didn't read it or you skimmed it with little intention of taking note of what I really said and really do, or you've forgotten all about it. If you wish to know you can go back and read it. Or not.

Mr. Sheeple@f........... wrote:
Your buddy Fidel Castro seen in a different light.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36379

Sheeple Analyst:

I don't ever remember referring to Castro as my buddy. I've never met him, never wrote to you about him, never wrote about him anywhere, anytime, ever. So how did you come to this amazing epiphany? Another legend in your own mind?

And why do you now accept information from the London Guardian. You called them "Leftist Garbage" a week ago. Or is it because it was reported through WND that it became OK?

Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote:
In a previous email, you got in a snit about Bush exerciseing his first amendment rights to free speech and freedom of religous beliefs when you referred to his "Religious shit". Now Howard Dean is pandering to the religious voters by claiming a belief in Jesus Christ. Now, as an atheist in a snit over religion, that is gonna put you in a bind. RHB

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/calthomas/ct20031229.shtml

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

There was only a snit in your own mind. I had referred to demonstrators along parade routes being deprived of their rights and YOU got in a snit about the pResident's right of free speech. My reference to Pat Buchanan only referred to your snit about not reading his views because he was a "loose cannon." Then you made reference to Christian foundations of our country and Brennan's article and I commented on the hypocrisy of the "Christian" politicians and demagogues, and the demonic behavior of nominal "Christians" throughout American history.

You get into such a tangle sometimes, thinking you really got me now whereas it is all just a "legend in your own mind." (Every time I see that phrase, I recognize your projection of that concept onto me. I recognize what it is and where it comes from.) You're frequently, if not constantly, making up stories that become your reality. I never used the term that you put in quotes, "Religious shit." I went back and checked. I did mention that Howard Dean is no better than George W. Bush, but that somehow doesn't seem to sink in. I know that I told you that I delete the Howard Dean emails as spam. The "dumb as a post comparison" comes to mind at times like this but I try to let it go.

Then there is a the strange reference to an atheist. Who are you referring to? If referring to me, you have made up still another legend in your own mind. Not only have I never so declared myself, my voluminous writing on The Seventh Fire would be clear testimony to such a lie. I hope the Machiavellian lies of WND, Newsmax, The Weekly Standard and the neo-conservatives aren't rubbing off on you. I like to think of my relatives as truthful and honorable and I'd like to keep it that way (but I won't lie to myself about the truth). So the only bind is one you have created. Hope you can find your way out of the morass.

You're always expecting to put me into a bind, but you don't understand anything I've told you about me so you keep falling on your face because of your erroneous thinking. Get a grip.

Cal Thomas has already proven his capacity for propaganda and demagoguery so I'll pass on anything he has to say, thanks.

Mr. Sheeple@f.......... wrote:
alright, so much for that which has happened in the past, and dwelling on that! Now, how the hell do you propose to rectrify that which happened in the past? Dwelling on that which happened in the past does nothing to deal with the problems of today. Your concept is analogous to blaming traffic congestion of today on the early automakers, especially Henry Ford whose mass production concept resulted in more affordable autos by lowering the labor costs. Ok, shenanigans of the past has led up to perceived problems of today. How do you propose therefore alleviating the problems rather than wailing and whining about them?

What do you propose be done about government leadership, regarding the upcoming 2004 elections, if neither President Bush and his policies or those the Democrat candidates (all in disarray and backbiting) with Howard Dean as the front runner leaning so damned far left in his rhetoric? Do you propose no structure of government, as the founders of this nation as a Representative system called a Constitutional Republic envisioned and created, and let chaos reign? The founders of this nation who fought the British for independence were patriots. To condemn and criticize government is anarchy.

Sheeple Analyst wrote

Remember, you are the one who brought the past into the discussion to support your claims for your "peace through strength" thesis, but the facts were in error and did not identify the First Cause. Without the true First Cause every other part of the rationale is contaminated and cobbled, incapable of leading to sound decision-making. All of our decision-making is based on past performance, more often regarding the recent past, but some patterns are only discernible by going back a bit farther.

Only a fool imagines trying to rectify the past. And only a fool continues to incessantly bring it up when the answer has been given repeatedly. The purpose studying and understanding the history of our experience as a people is understanding the rules by which this Earth game is being played. You constantly use this tool yourself, although without adequate information or willingness to dig for the true facts. Superficial slogans have sufficed. But I am not satisfied with slogans nor the history lessons taught as slogans. I'm just holding a torch to these inept, useless fragments to determine their lack of value and then turn to deeper analysis. The wailing and whining I've been hearing is of no use to a carefully considered discussion.

What we do is learn and teach, study and speak, discover and propose. I now have a website that reaches over 1,000 people each day, over 30,000 each month. In one year I have reached well over 250,000 people who in turn reach out to dozens or hundreds more, friends, relatives. Through the Seventh Fire I am teaching more people in one day than I once taught in four years.

In addition, I am providing people action plans to take back their power from the financial system and the government. People are considered to be wards of the State unless they have filed their UCC-1 Financial Statement and Security Agreement. Using the collateral that the US Government has taken without our permission, our own lives and our energy, these people are reducing the National Debt by learning how to properly use their worth and collateral. People are learning how to stand before a judge or an IRS agent and stop the fraud and corruption. People are learning how to dismiss a judge who has failed to supply his bond and oath of office for the year. People are learning how to attach the judge's bond if he fails to uphold his oath of office. People are learning how to stop the IRS cold in their tracks by asking for their signed Certificate of Authority. Even children can stop the Principal of their school from forcing them to take mandatory medications that are deleterious to their health.

We are forming groups, networks of aware citizens, who share information. We intend to take back our political system peacefully by demanding more of the politicians who stand before us and demanding that the electoral system not be abused by illegally removing legitimate and eligible voters from the electoral rolls as happened in Florida in 2000. We are insisting on methods of voting that cannot be bastardized by hidden source code and which have a paper trail to provide for a backup to hold a recount of questioned election results.

Now Mr. Sheeple, you know that politicians are only feeding when they are backbiting and only an incumbent has the luxury of running for his party's nomination unopposed. And you're not going to accomplish very much by damning and cussing the political fray. Toss the stupid sloganeering and get down to understanding the rules of the game. There might not be a leader among the lot of them and I would not offer my time, money and energy to any unless I was reasonably certain that they could actually turn the country back from the dictatorship planned for it, even under the likes of Johnson, Carter and Clinton as well as Nixon, Ford, Bush I, Reagan, and Bush II. And much farther back than them...traitors. There was no one better than the next and we have all been flim-flammed for over a century. But there are many things to do at the grassroots instead of focusing on the "leadership."

You have never heard me say that I condemn government. I have only condemned those of our employees who now think they are the elite, above the law, and beyond suspicion. You have never heard me propose anarchy, I have only opposed oligarchy, autocracy, and plutocracy. I can't help it if you don't know the difference. That's your job. I've tried to do what I can, but the responsibility is not mine. If you had ever taken the time to read what I have written you wouldn't ask such strange questions about what I think. In fearing the unknown, you support the security of a plutocracy. In thirsting for security you opt for a continued loss of freedom and the derogation of the principles upon which this nation was born. Condemning the leaders of the government is NOT the same as condemning the government our forefathers created. In fact, losing sight of WHO is the government is part of the problem. I am the government, I am the Sovereign. You are the government. You are the Sovereign. We the People are the government, the Sovereign. Our DUTY is to condemn and correct those of our employees who mistreat our Constitution and Bill of Rights. The President IS NOT the government. That is the thinking of the Royalists who disagreed with the Rebels. These rebels are the Patriots who found t Sovereignty in themselves as a god-given right, a natural law.

All of us must come of age finally and if we do not the Constitutional Republic will falter and disappear. The plans are already laid for its demise. It has been attacked for many years and we have accepted these attacks uncritically. The cards are stacked against us, but only failing to stand up like a man who values freedom and independence will ensure the death of the freedom we thought we had won for eternity. That freedom is not assured. We have been lied to by the left and the right. The illusion of contending factions has deluded us into attacking each other from a basis of lies and half-truths. You wish for me to take sides and I can only take the side of freedom and independence of right action and clear mind. Nothing else "matters."

This is also our spiritual contract: to see past the illusions, to take responsibility for ourselves to learn and choose right action. Caught up in the "what" of illusory battles, it is easy to lose sight of WHO we truly are. A balance of involvement and detachment is a precarious perch from which to walk in beauty and harmony.

Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote:

I used "Kumbaya" only in the sense that anti-war peaceniks stand around holding hands protesting war and conflict. They seem to have the naive idea that the U.S. should disarm and potential adversaries would do likewise and then peace will prevail. But such actions do not address the heart of the problem which is animosity. Germany and Japan harbored animosity toward the complacent United States that led to the outbreak of WW II, but a weak U.S. military did not cause them to back down but instead encouraged them. Therein lies my point that a weak military defensive potential will only encourage others to attack. Therefore, peace can be attained through military strength.

I supposed you will be working overtime to find a way to rationalize the above paragraph in a manner that will twist it around to suit your objectives. I am getting a bit tired of the semantics. RHB

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

It's your semantic charade that we are dealing with here. Your impertinent kumbaya comment got us safely off the examination of the real issues into emotional, hysterical regions more comfortable to you. You still have not addressed the analysis I presented as a counter to your simplistic thesis of military strength equates to peace. Ignoring the facts of history will only lead to more ignorance today and ensure a cobbled future.

Again, you fail to go to the heart of the problem even as you announce that you are there. Your announcement does not coincide with reality. You point toward animosity as the First Cause, but fail to look behind animosity to see what created it. I've already pointed toward the source of animosity as the First Cause for war and showed you where you can find supporting evidence. The source of animosity was the manipulation of events by the Illuminati and their agents in bringing about a civil war in Germany in the midst of an international war. Americans like to think that it was our entry into WW I that was the primary factor in bringing the Kaiser to his knees, when, in fact, it was the 5th column embedded in the German military and the Zionist traitors, like Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht who dissolved Germany's capacity to fight. This at a time of America's entry combined to collapse the German war-making power.

Then, to rub salt in the wounds, the International Bankers at the Versailles Peace Conference exacted horrendous penalties to flog Germans and plunged the nation into a deep depression of unemployment, hunger, and homelessness. The frustration and despair could then be much more readily manipulated and honed to develop the animosity of the German people, not only toward those nations claiming victory, but toward the Jewish citizens who now became suspect of treason. The tinder was prepared for the conflagration that would follow.

The animosity was created and developed by the Illuminati and their agents. The First Cause of WW II can be found in the ashes of World War I. Before military weakness of a nation can invite aggression, an enemy must be manufactured and delivered to take advantage of that weakness. Military strength is a secondary factor. However, military strength becomes increasingly necessary if a government is using its might to develop animosity through constant aggression and oppression. Israel is the model of Peace through Strength.....that doesn't work. Many Jews who came to Israel to participate in nation building are leaving because there is no peace or security. Living in the midst of Orwellian aggression and oppression cannot obtain serenity and tranquility.

FDR's Foreign Policy treated Japan as a second-class world citizen and directly threatened Japan's economic development. You can read about this in an excerpt from my web page.

FDR and the "infamy" behind Pearl Harbor

Jeremy R. Hammond writes, "In the year before the attack on Pearl Harbor, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum, of the Office of Naval Intelligence, drafted a document commonly known as the "McCollum Memo." The memo proposed 8 steps by which to force Japan to strike at the U.S. and was endorsed by two of President Roosevelt's closest military advisors. Roosevelt eventually implemented all 8 steps of the plan, one of which was to 'embargo all U.S. trade with Japan' ". Stimson had planted the seeds; Roosevelt followed through by restricting the sale of iron and steel manufactures, iron ore, pig iron, and ferrous alloys. Now he slapped an embargo on copper, brass, bronze, zinc, nickel, potash, and numerous manufactured products. Little by little Japan was being squeezed ever tighter. Roosevelt's plan was to box Japan into an intolerable situation by demanding that it pull out of China while simultaneously cutting off its war supplies.

The McCollum Memo is not the only document that attests to the government's recognition that the desire to go to war was "constrained by US neutrality"--namely by the desire to maintain that "neutrality" by the majority of Americans--and that entry into war would require some sort of pretext, a "solid reason to fight". In a memo to Roosevelt in June of 1941, Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes wrote, "There might develop from the embargoing of oil to Japan such a situation as would make it not only possible but easy to get into this war in an effective way. And if we should thus indirectly be brought in, we would avoid the criticism that we had gone in as an ally of communistic Russia." To this end, an embargo was also suggested to Roosevelt by others, as well, such as Admiral Richmond Turner, who wrote that "shutting off the American supply of petroleum" would force Japan to take "military action" and would thus "immediately involve us in a Pacific war."

Roosevelt's Secretary of War, Henry L. Stimson, wrote in a journal entry from November of 1941:

"The question was how we should maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without too much danger to ourselves. In spite of the risk involved, however, in letting the Japanese fire the first shot, we realized that in order to have the full support of the American people it was desirable to make sure that the Japanese be the ones to do this so that there should remain no doubt in anyone's mind as to who were the aggressors."

By January 1941, Roosevelt's personal agent, Harry Hopkins, was confiding to Churchill that if America came into the war, the "incident" would be with Japan. Meanwhile, the brilliant cryptologist, William Friedman, had broken the Japanese Purple code with a system christened MAGIC. Thereafter, all Japanese diplomatic messages were known in Washington. Not only was a MAGIC machine never sent to Hawaii, but Roosevelt ordered that none of the intelligence be passed along to the commanders at Pearl Harbor, Admiral Kimmel and General Short.

(You can read the rest of the story by clicking on the title above. That is, IF you really wish to know. I am beginning to suspect that you feel more comfortable in your concocted little world of propaganda and programming. You could prove me wrong any time you like, though. My attitude about your capacity for an honest, intellectual discussion is malleable.)

So when you tire of playing the silly semantic games you've invented to avoid an honest, intellectual discussion, you can dig into the substance of history to understand what really happened so you have a sound construct from which to develop your worldview. I've provided a lot of food for thought if you can digest it. I can sense that I have pushed you up against your own intgernal rigidity and your programming is struggling mightily to fend off the "terrorist attack" with still more histrionics, more epithets, and once again running from the fray to the nurturance of time-worn adages and half-truths. I don't have to work overtime or get emotionally overwrought. I don't need to rationalize because finding root causes leads inexorably to understanding and thence to solutions. Truth is not an objective that requires any twisting, just a lot of untwisting. It's probably the untwisting that is causing you so much pain. But life with a free mind is far better than life on a twisted cross.

Mr. Sheeple@f.......... wrote:
Again, you misconstrued my comments. I did not say that Germany attacked the U.S. due to weakness, but weakenss in U.S. military strength no doubt encouraged the long-range plans to take over the U.S. along with Japan as per that map I mentioned that gave the timetable to 1950 when the conquest would be complete.

I used military weakness as something that encourages one nation to attack and invade another, so military strength will create peace by preventing an attack. In the case of Germany, Japan and WW II I merely stated that the United States effectively disarmed after the "war to end all wars" and was caught militarily unprepared when war clouds developed in Europe but came to fruition when Japan, as an ally of Germany, prematurely attacked at Pearl Harbor and forced Germany to declare war, as well.

There is little doubt that the military weakness shown by a lack of assertive action on the part of Clinton, who had "balanced the budget" by cutting military strength (Remember "peace through strength" by Reagan that brought down the Berlin Wall? Or, is that an element of history you would like to ignore because it does not fit in your beliefs), resulting in military training/strength curtailed due to funding cuts. Thousands of officers and enlisted men got out, underpaid soldiers on food stamps and welfare, military units were dismantled, the navy had problems with sufficient fuel and munitions to train the military, the airforce was cannibalizing aircraft to try and keep an effective airforce going? Failure to react to terrorist activities in an assertive manner, and a weakened military, no doubt encouraged the rise of terrorism on the assumption the United States weakened militarily would not respond

Sheeple Analyst:

What did I misconstrue? I didn't say that "Germany attacked the US due to weakness" either. Please check the emails below and locate the point at which you could quote me saying anything of the sort. It was YOUR assertion that Germany could make such plans. South Dakota could make plans to attack Canada but that doesn't mean that they will or can. Just supposition, hypotheses, non-substantive argumentation.

Your declaration that weakness begged aggressive response has already been responded to in previous emails and you have shown no interest in discussing that. I will not repeat myself.

So you go off on another binge of hocus-pocus history without substance. Did Gorbachev admit that Reagan had driven the Soviet Union to collapse? I don't remember seeing the evidence of that. Please provide evidence for assertions. And it was the Clinton whitehouse providing the warning that there might be "terrorist attacks" on American soil and the "attacks" happened well into the Bush Administration. But again, this argument leans heavily upon the evidence of foreign attacks which remains doubtful for the many reasons argued before. You have shown little interest in discussing the lack of evidence and the anomalies in the argumentation such as the belated response of the USAF on 9/11 which is not easily accomplished by a foreign terrorist. The possibility of a domestic terrorist group within the government is much stronger because the protocols for FAA/USAF interception are automatic and can only be ordered from the highest levels.

So until you can prove the terrorist argument, it is inadmissible in a discussion about military preparedness and security. Do your homework first.

Mr. Sheeple@f........ wrote:

Again, you fail to get the context of what I write! All I said that had you, as an anti-war pacifist, been an adult when WW II erupted, you and others of the same ilk would have been standing around holding hands and singing "Kumbaya" as the Japanese and Germans carried out their invasion plans as recorded in history. MY COMMENT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH ME SINGING "kUMBAYA"!

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

"Or that the best laid plans gang aft aglae? Once upon a time I created best laid plans but I've learned that they do not always become reality." --There was my response. Your comment DID refer to Kumbaya, a bit sarcastic, of course, so I replied in kind. Can't take it coming back at ya? Then don't be so cheeky in the first instance. I understood exactly what you were saying and responded to it, albeit with tongue in cheek. Just a wee bit of levity and quid pro quo (or tit for tat as it were), Mr. Sheeple. Sure wish that you could respond to the substantive issues raised instead of reeling about, flailing at the return reference to singing Kumbaya and you ignore anything that would require knowing anything and go into emotional histrionics. Get a grip!

Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote
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Sure. But how were they to know that the organization would go bad and turn on the United States that created it? Same with arms to Iraq in the early years to help fight off the Soviets etc. but how were they to know Saddam would pocket or stash billions in aid, build himself lavish palaces while the people suffereed then massacre thousands who dared to voice an opinion contrary to what Saddam wanted? It is doubtful that the purpose was to create an anti-U.S. force.RHB

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

How do you "know that the organization would go bad and turn on the United States..."? Someone told you that and you believed them, right? Another useful investigative tool, used in police work all the time, is to ask the question "who benefits?" The Motive provides a vital clue to whodunit. If you know that

  • the War in Afghanistan had already been war-gamed in 1997,
  • that two US aircraft carrier task forces were underway to the Gulf before September 11,
  • the British had assembled the largest armada since the Falklands and was steaming for Oman before September 11,
  • that 23,000 British troops were on maneuvers in Oman prior to September 11,
    that Operation Bright Star with 23,000 US troops were on exercise with NATO forces in Egyptian desert,
  • that 12,000 more NATO troops had just arrived in Turkey prior to September 11(exercises that had been planned two years prior),
  • and that in a four day meeting in mid-July 2001 with the Taliban and Russian, Iranian, and Pakistani representatives US diplomats warned that if the Taliban would not accede to their demands for the oil pipeline, they would have not alternative but overt action against Afghanistan commencing mid October 2001,
  • reasonable analysis would point toward September 11, 2001 being a pretext or trigger to justify the planned invasion and conquest of a Sovereign country.
  • Furthermore, in late September and early October, leaders of two Islamic parties negotiated Osama's extradition to Pakistan for trial. An American official said that "casting our objectives too narrowly risked a premature collapse of the international effort if by some luck chance Mr. bin Laden was captured." In fact, the Bush Administration refused to sign the treaty for an international court to try war criminals, the one place where bin Laden might be put on trial.

    General Tommy Franks, head of Central Command, in his first press briefing after the invasion began stated:"We have not stated that Osama bin Laden is a target of this effort."

    see also Afghanistan Attack Planned Far in Advance and Framing bin Laden

    As for Iraq, I've already outlined the trickery involved there over time and you've ignored it. I've already answered that question for you many times and you never follow up on it by either discussion or by your own study.

    see also Iraq, Afghanistan: Illegal Wars, Lies about Iraq, Iran Gassed Kurds, Not Iraq and How PR Sold the Gulf War

    As a matter of fact, the purpose IS to cause anti-US sentiment, but then you said you understood all about the Illuminati. Until you do......

Mr. Sheeple@f.......... wrote:
There is nothing contradictory in my comment at all, the contradiction being in your mind and a play on words. A weak military lacks manpower and armament for defense, and the military was largely dismantled in arms and manpower strength after WWI. But when WW II broke out, the weak military in manpower and arms put the U.S. at risk by indicating a possible soft defense easy to overcome. Rebuilding and training a strong military for a response to the threat had to take place using fake rifles, tanks, machineguns etc. UNTIL THE MANUFACTURING MIGHT THAT CONCERNED YAMAMOTO COULD GEAR UP TO PRODUCE THE REAL THING AND BRING UP THAT ACTUAL STRENGTH REQUIRED TO MEET THE CHALLENGE!

I guess my logical views are too great for someone who breaks toy guns off toy soldiers, and incurs a felony to lose a teaching license, is too difficult for your anti-military mind to follow.

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

I see, I didn't put the qualifier "militarily" in front of "US" since "military" was the context which we were discussing. You just took my words out of context and horsed around with the semantics as a distraction from the content. Now I see your attempted rhetorical gimmickry. The facts remained the same, the argument remained, you just took us off on a little butterfly expedition about words. Now saying the same thing over in green and with bold and underlining you think you have responded to my argument. Unfortunately, you have only re-iterated your own argument without coming to terms with First Cause, contenting yourself with self-assured secondary effects.

Logic that stems from secondary effects rather than first causes is a pointless drifting about without an anchor in reality. Incorrectly assuming you have discovered the first cause of the Second World War, you draw logical but incorrect conclusions. Just because something is "logical" it doesn't follow that it is correct. Similarly, your assumptions about what brought about the dumbing down of America did not derive from first cause but from secondary and tertiary effect. Such logic is not only erroneous but dangerous. I follow your logic, but don't accept your basic premise about the cause. I can see that you have not followed the course of events back far enough, nor have you included other factors that came into play before Germany attacked anybody, even before the National Socialists came into power.

Then, to further bolster your argumentation, you attempt to humiliate me for a symbolic act of mine that is far beyond your antique facts and "reasoning." I'm hardly humiliated by that act except that I lost the courage to see it through when I learned that a felony conviction would jeopardize my teaching career. I wasn't quite ready to let go of the security of that. Eventually, I was forced to resign under pressure from the Principal who originally brought me into the Hopkins School District because of my exceptional ideas and experiences. Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand how your use of that reflects on your capacity of gather information and analyze it. Schoolyard slanders and bullying epithets do not make a very convincing case but for one's own maturity and personality.

And using "military" and "mind" in the same phrase seems to be an oxymoron since the military seeks to reprogram the mind to follow orders rather than think objectively. I'd rather that your side of the conversation could be more open to exploration than driven to subjective and ill-founded argumentation. My ground is mind. I don't need to be anti-anything. Military mind, however, must by necessity be anti-mind. That's why recruits must go through Basic Training to program them to kill and to follow orders without question. Guess you learned to do that. It can also be understood as devolution.

Mr. Sheeple@f............ wrote:
Had you been an adult when WWII broke out, you would have been holding hands with others and singing "Kumbaya" as the Japanese invaded the West coast and the Germans invaded the East by 1950, coast in accord with their timetable to meet at the Mississippi river. A timetable printed on a map of the United States that Uncle Amer Morrill clipped from the LA Times during WW II and included in scrap books consisting of wallpaper catalogs. Mom had custody of them for a time in the '50s, and I personally saw that map as I read accounts of WW II!

The United States could not mount a decent response until the military was rebuilt with manpower provided by the draft and the factories could be geared up to produce war material' needed to meet the challenge. As I noted, military manpower and armaments were vastly diminished in the interval between WW I and WW II to the extent it was inferior to that built up by Japan and Germany. RHB

And thus you prove what? That you can sing kumbaya? Or that the best laid plans gae aft aglae? Once upon a time I created best laid plans but I've learned that they do not always become reality.

You've clearly walled off all that I sent you in this regard. You have not come to grips with first causes, just the effects. Germany did not become strong and war-like because of our "weakness" or "complacency." They had the support of powerful financial people such as Brown Brothers, Harriman who, through the Union Bank, under the management of Prescott Bush, grandfather of George W. Bush and with the help of great grandfather George Herbert Walker, to secretly rebuild the German war machine and install Adolf Hitler as the leader of the Third Reich. Only by their traitorous support could there even be a Third Reich.

Furthermore, the Germans had been set up in the First World War and its aftermath to respond with righteous and furious aggression at a world that had wronged them. First their internal civil war lead by the Zionist Communists and then by the harsh and unjust terms of the treaty of "peace" that was intended to infuriate an entire people. This laid the foundation of the aggression not the complacency or weakness of the US. That only contributed to a late entry into the war and was not its cause.

The documentation is available but you haven't gotten that far yet. The Hitler Project and Pawns in the Game: Events Leading to World War II.

Mr. Sheeple@f....... wrote:
Nope! You got it wrong because you tend to read in context of what you want to believe. I did not say the U.S. was "weak"! Complacent, maybe, but not weak. I merely stated that the military was dismantled on the naive assumption that "the war to end all wars" meant there would no longer be a need for a strong military. In fact, the United States had to wage a "holding action" militarily after Pearl Harbor in order to build up its military stength to meet the challenge, and managed to turn the tide at the battle of Midway Island and was then on the offensive. Since you are into history, it should not take much research to learn that following Pearl Harbor and Hitler's declaration of war on the United States, that the U.S. was training soldiers using broomsticks due to a lack of obsolete Springfield rifles of WW I vintage! They had wooden machineguns for training infantry. Wooden weapons had to do until American manufacturing could be retooled to produce weapons again, such as the Garand M1 .30 caliber semi-automatic rifle used extensively for years, a rifle that would fire repeatedly though full of mud and other crud. (prior to the start of WW II following Pearl Harbor, and had to be built up with manpower via the draft and weapons via changover from consumer goods to defense equipment for war. That is why no new cars were made from '41-'46)"

Common sense tells you that a foreign power with conquest ambitions is certainly not going to militarily invade and take over a nation that is militarily much stronger. Instead, they will find a nation with a weaker military that cannot defend against invaders. America was strong economically and in the manufacturing sense because Yamamoto, following the attack on Pearl harbor, was afraid they had "awakened a sleeping giant" because he was once a college student in the U.S. and was aware of the U.S. manufacturing potential. Virtually over night, war production got underway to produce armament in such abundance that the virtually endless supply overwhelmed the Axis forces to emerge victorious.

Wish I had made a note of a comment I read in a column a couple of weeks ago. The columnist quoted George Washington as once saying that (paraphrasing) "peace can exist only with a strong military", or something to that effect. And, he was correct. President Reagan was correct when he noted that "peace through strength" was the stance the nation should have. It goes back to the analogy of dealing with a neighborhood bully who will terrorize others until the neighbors band together and beat the shit out of him so he does not bother them anymore and therefore attain "peace through strength". RHB

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

You said, "A militarily strong nation is the only way to keep others with dominating and conquering tendencies from trying to take over the United States. The U.S. made the mistake of disarming after WW I......." Opposite of strong is.....weak. A statement about militarily strong is followed by a characterization that the US made a mistake....seems it was a statement about weakness. Or perhaps you would prefer "unstrongness?" I have no need to read your words in any preconceived context. Just read "strong" then read "made the mistake" ..... Then you followed THAT with "...the US military was in a weakened condition... If I got it wrong, you lead me there. Nevertheless, the sad sack word game is just a distraction from the real issues anyway.

I knew about the wooden rifles. So what does that have to do with anything. My reply had NOTHING to do with "military strength" or "complacency" or "weakened condition." Your whizbang facts have nothing to do with my reply. Your commentary trots a far mile around the cause of WWII as I've summarized it to show you that it was NOT about military weakness. It was not even initiated by the Germans or Japanese. In fact, the economic sanctions and restrictions placed on Japan by the Roosevelt Administration would come quite close to being an act of war today. It certainly took a lot less for GWBush to declare his preemptive little illegal war on Iraq.

Your mention of Yamamoto and American industrial strength demolished your own argument about wooden rifles and machineguns, you realize. Your delight at the facts got in your way of a persuasive argument that a military had to be fully ready at all times. It is actually the industrial and economic strength of the nation that is vital.

The Washington quote is "To be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace." You've already identified one of the most effective ways to be strong: economically and in industrial capacity. I've already identified what brought about WWII: the economic and industrial support of Germany from the late 20's through the early 30's from the International Bankers including Brown Brothers, Harriman, their Union Bank, and its managing director, Prescott Bush. Thanks for providing support for my thesis. So you see, strength is not military strength alone, but incorporates moral, political, social, economic, industrial, and spiritual strength.

Sloganeering can get you into a morass of fiction and fable.

Mr. Sheeple@f....... wrote:
In the aftermath of the Gulf War, the IAEA discovered that Iraq had "gamed the system." In Iraq's 1996 classified report to the IAEA, Iraq had admitted it bought items from Germany, Britain, the United States, Switzerland, France, Japan, Italy, Sweden and Brazil that ought to have been "declared," but weren't. Hence, the IAEA had no way of determining that these undeclared items were employed during the 1980s in a program intended to produce nuke-useable highly enriched uranium.

The above, and the url below, refer to a column by Gordon Prather, a Nuclear Physicist retired in Chicago. I have previously exchanged emails with him. RHB

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36339

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

I've exchanged emails with you, too. So what? There is no WMD. There is no evidence that there was WMD prior to the March attack and there is ample evidence of low priority in securing WMD sites after the attack. There is no evidence of WMD in ships sailing hither and thither, no evidence that the trucks were manufacturers of WMD. Several of the aircraft found hidden were never in Iraq according to Janes' and the drones found did not have the range to travel very far. Chemical WMD does not last very long. Yellowcake was never available for purchase from Niger and the aluminum tubes were inappropriate for uranium-processing centrifuges. Doctor Seuss is dead but the Cat in the Hat lives on. Fiction usually has a longer life than reality.

Mr. Sheeple@f............wrote:
This column reflects my thinking on the matter. Failure of the U.S. to respond would only embolden the anti-US powers and result in more and greater attacks. It is an illustration of the neighborhood bully ANALOGY where no one can mind their own business and live in peace until all gang up and deck the bully. Appeasement did not work to prevent WW II !

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36323

----- Original Message -----

From: allen heart
To: Mr. Sheeple@f..............
Sent: Friday, December 26, 2003 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: WorldNetDaily Strength equals respect

Everything he said was documented lies. Right down to FDR and Pearl Harbor...except for the bully description of "respecting" us for our strength. I can see where that makes you and people like you "proud to be an American" so in their impotence and emasculated frustration they and they and you can feel the masculine juices rising to go out and kickass. Never look to see if they have any verifiable evidence or if there are any gaps in their conspiracy theory, just grab the glib line and run with it. But you aren't aware yet of the hook, can't recognize it for all the flash and flutter. Then when you least expect it, the hook is set and another stupid fish has been caught. No brains or intellect, just another sub-reptilian knee-jerk reaction. Dumbed down to the leve of the lower vertebrates. Impressive.

Mr. Sheeple@f......... wrote:
A militarily strong nation is the only way to keep others with dominating and conquering tendencies from trying to take over the United States. The U.S. made that mistake of disarming after WW I, which was "the war to end all wars". Prior to WW II, when Hitler was rustling around in Europe, the potential danger was not recognized. But when Pearl harbor was bombed and Hitler declared war on the US prematurely due to their Japanese ally jumping the gun, the US miltary was in a weakened condition to the point where soldiers were training with wooden rifles, field guns etc. until war production of our factories could be brought about. Clinton was a known anti-military President who loathed the military, and as a result did not react with much potential force to "feeler" acts by terrorists against American interests abroad. This only encouraged terrorists, especially when Clinton cut and run in Somalia with the fiasco as Mogadishu when bin Laden believed that America was vulnerable and would not put up much of a fight. Ghadafy of Libya has suddenly dropped his anti-US stance and wants to be nicey by dropping his nuclear weapons efforts and WMD while urging others to do the same. Why, he even owned up to flight 103 bombed over Lockerbie, Scotland! Now, Ghadafy is offering a great deal of oil that the U.S. needs not only as fuel to power the economy but also as a source of raw materials. With out oil, you would not have tires, fan belts, generator belts for your SUV. Niether would you have the need plastic housings for your "high tech" computers. Niether would you have food on the table with out petroleum for lubrricants, fuel, tires, belts, hoses for farm equipment.

Your analyses are based on erroneous facts. You seem to explain that WWII happened because the US was weak. That is a painfully blindered vision of what and who caused WWII and why. It was all orchestrated by those Illuminati you claim to know so much about. They intended to weaken German, British and French colonialism and make them vulnerable to giving up still more power and wealth to the international robber barons, establish the nucleus of their one world government in the UN, and make the case for a Zionist homeland in Israel. By the 1930's, the United States was in the midst of the Great Depression thanks to their manipulation of the money supply. Most of the world was affected deeply by the Great Depression.....except Germany. Browns, Harrimans and others funneled their depression profits into the rise of Germany and the NAZIs. Prescott Bush was the managing director of the Union Bank through which the profits were channeled to Hitler. This cash flow was not staunched until 1942 when the US Government seized the Union Bank because of the Trading with the Enemy Act.

The mood of the country could not be manipulated without a "foreign attack" on our soil. That Franklin Delano Roosevelt through the US Naval Intelligence planned, manipulated, facilitated and hid the Japanese invasion and impending attack is well-documented today, even without the full disclosure of classified Top Secret documents 62 years later. When you are ready to learn the truth, it is available. There is no point in a lecture on what is now known about the events that lead up to Pearl Harbor. I've already covered that months ago. It's available when you decide to be an independent thinker and search for the truth.

Clinton did exactly what the Illuminati wished for him to do, including providing a lightning rod for angry protests by conservatives so that they would be totally satisfied when a new regime was "voted in."

Now the Bush regime has stepped on a land mine with Qadafi. He has offered to eliminate WMD if others in the region do so. That would include Israel. Fat chance!

Oh. Yeah. Oil is quite necessary for our economies to continue, except that we are already on the downside of the reserve supply.


Mr. Sheeple@f.......wrote: I suppose in your mind, this story is a fabrication by the Bush administration to "justify" the war in Iraq.

Iraqi officers describe Saddam-al-Qaida link: Detainees say contacts preceded 9-11, Saudis helped recruit, finance terrorists

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

The story is actually irrelevant. Show me the incontrovertible PROOF that "Arab terrorists" were even involved in hijacking planes on 9/11. Show me the proof that calls were made to Air Traffic Control identifying hijackers. Show me HOW such foreign agents would be able to keep the USAF on the ground for over an hour while four planes were seriously off-course and heading for restricted airspace. Show me the actual evidence we were promised following the Bush Administration allegations that make up an Official Conspiracy Theory. I wish to hear the authenticated cockpit conversations of the black boxes. I wish to hear the authenticated communications with Air Traffic Controllers. I wish to see the authenticated evidence that lead to the posting of the 19 ALLEGED "Arab hijackers." I wish to see the original CCTV tapes confiscated from around the Pentagon at the service station, the hotels, the Virginia road cams. I wish to see the authenticated records of the Flight Training School in Venice, Florida, confiscated by the FBI shortly after 9/11. You've accepted their ALLEGATIONS on NO PROOF. I have higher standards and I insist on higher levels of performance from the Bush Administration. Any stories about al-Qaeda are without value unless and until these rudimentary levels of proof are obtained.

Mr. Sheeple@f........... wrote:
Well, submit a FOI request and get them! What if the hijackers had boarded on assumed Western names, based on the premise they were adopted by American parents? Are you saying that the former Iraqi officers are lieing and do not know what they are talking about, though they were present and witnessed that which they relate but you were not? Apparently it has not yet occurred to you that the information will eventually be made public, but is logically witheld for a time for fear of tipping off other potential adversaries about what the government knows. During WW II, a lot of sensitive information was withheld for security reasons, and is only being released several years after the fact.

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

Oh sure, former Governor of NJ, Tom Kean, head of the current under-funded 9/11 investigation can't get information from the US Government; the Bush Administration has stonewalled at every possible opportunity.

Your hypothesis totally misses the point, as usual. Seven of the people the Bush Administration identified as the "Arab terrorists" are still alive and were apparently not involved unless you have a great cockamamie story to accomplish that. If they were not involved then clearly that part of the Official Conspiracy Theory is incorrect at best, a lie at the worst, leaving the rest of the preposterous story questionable and doubtful. Involvement of the Iraqis in what? Keeping the USAF on the ground for more than an hour or forcing them to fly at 25-30% speed toward the catastrophe in progress? How did Saddam do that? Millions of Americans are waking up to these anomalies and asking the questions the news reporters never asked.

I didn't say ANYTHING about the former Iraqi officers. Didn't need to. Their testimony is useless unless and until there is proof that al-Qaeda is involved. It's not my job to prove they were. The people who launched the Official Conspiracy had vowed to provide the proof and they never did. And dumbed down people across the country forgot all about that and have no awareness that proof was ever promised. They accept the word of the Bush Administration robotically as though Presidents and Government officials never lie, forgetting the lying of Bill Clinton that they got so worked up about, assuming that Dubya would be any different. Partisanship prevents their questioning their Leader (Fuehrer, auf Deutsch).

And, of course, the Government has no need to tell us about their proof because they have National Security reasons. More programming and more dumbing down. Pearl Harbor information is still top secret 62 years later. Can't be about the Japanese code. That's already ancient history. Can't be to keep radar secret.

Clearly, Americans are not to be allowed to have the information that they need to make their political decisions. The say-so of politicians should be good enough. Therefore, it is also clear that the American people are to do what their politicians, their party leaders, decree and vote on the basis of trust and propaganda. Our money reminds us otherwise. You would have made a good German in 1933. Hitler was talking about you and laughing.
"It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are of what is really happening to them. "Adolf Hitler"

Now the grandson of the man who channeled American support for the ascendancy of Hitler through his position as managing director in the Union Bank, Prescott Bush, is in the same position. "But that's OK, if this were a dictatorship it'd be a heck of a lot easier......just so long as I'm the dictator." George W. Bush on CNN.com, December 18, 2000. I'll bet he was just kidding, huh? click here to see the video clip

"The nature of psychological compulsion is such that those who act under constraint remain under the impression that they are acting on their own initiative. The victim of mind-manipulation does not know that he is a victim. To him the walls of his prison are invisible, and he believes himself to be free. That he is not free is apparent only to other people. His servitude is strictly objective." Aldous Huxley, Brave New World Revisited,1958

You can't see the walls of your prison. You clearly, obviously believe that you are free. Subjectively, that is so in your mind. I can't penetrate those walls no matter how much I shout, argue the facts, point toward the lies, offer help of any kind. You are your own projection: you are a legend in your own mind. May God be merciful to you.


Mr. Sheeple@f............. wrote:
If indeed the 9-11 attacks did not involve the Al Qaeda muslims vowing to destroy the United States and other Western nations as "infidels", as you have maintained, and France opposed the coalition forces in Afghanistan and Iraq to deal with the terrorist threat, why would France cooperate to cancel flights to LA that intelligence indicated may be hijacked by Al Queada people, one being a trained and certified airline pilot? Greater the number of people in on a conspiracy, greater the chances of a leak. Al Quaeda realize that, so only the top echelon people know the details about what is afoot in order to avoid leaks that give away the plot. It is therefore illogical to believe that 9/11 was some huge conspiracy and a coverup by thousands.RHB

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

There is no problem keeping even the greatest conspiracy secret when they can succeed in dumbing down and programming most of the population. Hitler wrote Mein Kampf before he took power. He did not have to hide his intent.

"What good fortune for those in power that the people do not think."--Adolf Hitler

"Through clever and constant application of propaganda people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way around, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise."--Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, 1923

"It also gives us a very special, secret pleasure to see how unaware the people around us are of what is really happening to them. "Adolf Hitler

Similarly, the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion have been around a long time even before the latest rendition was published in Russia at the turn of the century. It's been attacked recently by Zionists claiming it's a forgery but their point fails to address the truth of the document. In the late 18th century the Bavarian police came into possession of similar writings when an Illuminati courier was struck by lightning. The warnings went out to the monarchies of Europe to beware. France fell shortly afterward and the lies are still being told today. England had already gone through its own "revolution" with Cromwell. Even knowing the means and methods, the control of Europe fell inexorably into the hands of the Illuminati. Franco only slowed its success in Spain.

"A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all-powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and schoolteachers .... The greatest triumphs of propaganda have been accomplished, not by doing something, but by refraining from doing. Great is truth, but still greater, from a practical point of view, is silence about truth." Aldous Huxley Brave New World foreword to 1946 edition

You think of small conspiracies and cannot even conceive of the Grand Conspiracy. You cannot think that far outside of your box. The worldview you now hold has been programmed by movies and news controlled by the Illuminati. They've done exactly what they said they were going to do. But that was not part of the curriculum in your high school and mine, your college and university and mine, because those are also supported and controlled by the Illuminati as they said they were going to do. When all of the reins of power are held as they are now. You have little chance to obtain real information, little interest in thinking outside the box, because you have been made uncomfortable outside the box. That's the nefarious part of the programming.

I make you feel very uncomfortable because I am showing you something you have been programmed to reject without even allowing your mind to examine it. I've watched you writhe and scream in pain as I present one fact after another and you strike back with the silly phrase you heard someone wisecrack about being "a legend in your own mind." It keeps popping out as though that is your program to disgourge when the appropriate cue presents. I'm probing to find out just what has been done to so many people that they respond so predictably and limit their awareness so that they do not dare step outside the program. I have been able to document that it is not about presenting the evidence logically or even graphically. I've discovered that it will be ignored as though it didn't even exist. I've challenged, goaded, queried with the hope that a small tweak across the forehead might dislodge the program and still can't get rational answers in response. Nothing works. The only two possibilities are patient presentation of facts and analysis, or the big 2 X 4 across the forehead administered at the river as the final solution. Then finally as the lights go out, a light of awareness comes on. I'd prefer it didn't have to come to that.

France and Germany are part of the Grand Conspiracy, just as Democrats and liberals are part of it. You see the illusion of "opposing sides" and think that by choosing sides you can be in the right. Choosing sides is an old playground protocol that is out of place for mature adults, but you can see it happening all the time as big little boys choose their sports teams or political teams to fight their emotional battles. "Divide and conquer" is lost on these people and so we have silly fights over issues or turf and get our pockets picked and our energy misused or stolen.


I sent RHB this link: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/ECHELON/apec2.html

. . . But what does come as a surprise is an apparent failure by federal law-enforcement and intelligence authorities to pursue allegations of kickbacks to FBI agents involved in the sweeping intelligence operation and separate allegations involving underage boys provided as prostitutes to visiting dignitaries attending the weeklong November conference of 15 Asia-Pacific nations. . . . . One reason for the alleged coverup -- and that may be the only term appropriate, according to high officials in and out of government who claim direct and indirect knowledge of the APEC bugging -- is that those said to have engaged in kickbacks involving thousands of dollars include FBI agents through suppliers with whom they worked to procure electronic

Mr. Sheeple@f...... wrote: The story only notes that servelliance gear picked up signs of young boys romping in the ACCOMODATIONS OF THE APEC MEMBERS. Nothing indicates that Bill Clinton himself was involved in anything other the conference, as you seem to claim. It is merely conjecture rather than proof. I thought you were more intelligent than that. It is equal to your assumption, expressed in early emails concerning the WTC attack as being already known by television media because they "already had their cameras set up to tape it" when they obviously began taping after the first plane hit as making them aware of the attacks. The networks did not have on tape the first attack, as they would have had they been made aware of the coming attacks. After the incident, they had to rely on amateur tape made by a tourist from the street to show the first attack.

Sheeple Analyst wrote: Didn't say that Bill Clinton was there, just that during his administration, the FBI was taking kickbacks and covering up the prostitution of underage boys under the rubric of National Security. If it is a National Security issue, then the President must be aware and involved. "...underage boys provided as prostitutes to visiting dignitaries..." is not romping. Prostitution has a fairly specific meaning beyond "romping in the accommodations of APEC conferees." Re-examine this: "In one series of tapes, they show underage boys engaging in sexcapades with men in several rooms over a period of days." Can you imagine another way to describe men having sex with boys? "...men involved with the children..." was reported. Do you expect the news media to report that the tapes showed the APEC conferees f@@@ing young boys? Talk about intelligence!! Have you been programmed, too? Look at how carelessly you read. I highlighted the quotations above so that you can grasp the enormity of your dismissal. Does it have to happen to your grandchildren before you wake up?

Who is in charge of National Security? The President. Who is in charge of the Department of Justice? Attorney General. Who is in charge of the FBI? Department of Justice. The chain of command leads from President to FBI. If the FBI claims National Security issues, that must stem from the Attorney General who is appointed by the President who is in charge of National Security issues through his appointees at NSA and CIA. But then you know all of that. If that is true, then how can you make the enormous leap of logic to exculpate Clinton in this instance? I tend to lean more toward programming than ignorance as the cause of your cavalier attitude toward child sex abuse that is so egregious it should make you scream at those who do such things to children, not absolve them.

As for the people making these allegations, one of them is a former Head of FBI in LA. Others are conservatives, former Republican State Senators from Nebraska, patriots, and Christian conservatives. Paul Bonacci is a victim of sexual abuse and satanic ritual abuse as a child and has won a million dollar lawsuit against Lawrence King, Director of the Franklin Savings and Loan in Omaha, awarded by a Nebraska Court. The charge of liberal bias is very hollow and futile. Lawrence (Larry) King sang the national anthem at the GOP Convention in 1984 and 1988 and was linked to Spence who as exposed in the Washington Times as head of a child prostitution ring in Washington. Spence was later "suicided" much like Vince Foster.

On February 5, 1999, in U.S. District Court in Lincoln, Nebraska, an extraordinary hearing occurred in Paul A. Bonacci v. Lawrence E. King, a civil action in which the plaintiff charged that he had been ritualistically abused by the defendant, as part of a nationwide pedophile ring liked to powerful political figures in Washington and to elements of the U.S. military and intelligence establishment. Three weeks later, on February 27, Judge Warren K. Urbom ordered King, who is currently in Federal prison, to pay $1 million in damages to Bonacci, in what Bonacci's attorney John DeCamp said was a clear signal that "the evidence presented was credible."

During the February 5 hearing, Noreen Gosch stunned the court with sworn testimony linking U.S. Army Lt. Col. Michael Aquino (ret.) to the nationwide pedophile ring. Her son, Johnny, then 12 years old, was kidnapped off the streets of West Des Moines, Iowa on September 5, 1982, while he was doing his early-morning newspaper deliveries. Since his kidnapping, she has devoted all of her time and resources to finding her son, and to exposing the dangers that millions of children in American face from this hideous, literally Satanic underground of ritualistic deviants. Read the judge's verdict at /Politics%20and%20History/Bonacci_vs_King-Franklin_Scandal.htm

Is Nebraska considered to be a liberal state? Is the US. District Court awarding $1million dollars on the basis of hearsay? Is the John DeCamp, former GOP Delegate to the 1984 Convention, State Senator in Nebraska telling lies in his book, The Franklin Cover-up: Child Abuse, Satanism, and Murder in Nebraska? Could you handle knowing what he reported? Could you handle the official testimony of Paul Bonacci, Alisha Owen, and others, children abused, traumatized, mind-controlled by Larry King and others? Could you handle the testimony of Cathy O"Neill, a deprogrammed sex slave rescued from Project Monarch? I doubt it. You can't handle going there and knowing that.

As for the WTC nonsense, there WAS a crew set up to tape that caught the first plane hitting the tower and was broadcast shortly thereafter. And bringing up that argument is a false flag misdirection from this one.


Mr. Sheeple@f...... wrote:
As for your contention that Bush and Cheney have "sex slaves", perhaps you have been reading too much fiction on alternative websites that passes for the truth. Considering the anti Bush and Cheney attitude of the liberal press, and the Democrats, surely such information would be widely touted as a means of advancing the Democrat cause.

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

Yep. Dumb as a post. Still believing in the duality created by the Illuminati to distract people from keeping their pockets from being picked big time. Democrats aren't going to bring it up because THEIR leadership is involved. That was clear from the inclusion of Clinton, Byrd, et al as the perpetrators. But you can't look very closely at that because you wish to take the easy way out and declare partisanship would resolve THAT problem. You claim to know about the Illuminati but you know close to nothing. NADA! ZIP! And you are fooled once again.


Where did this line of discussion originate?"

Mr. Sheeple@f...... wrote:

This line of discussion originated when you expressed opposition to President Bush's references to his Christian beliefs and also Patrick Buchanan's expression of his beliefs. All I did was point out that they were merely exercising their freedom of speech and freedom of religious belief as per the Constitution of the United States. I guess you were so mentally involved in creating a long-winded "rebuttal", by convincing with long-winded rhetoric if unable to counter with facts.

Sheeple Analyst: What did I say that you infer is opposition to President Bush's remarks? Go! Look! And I certainly said nothing against Patrick Buchanan's right to express HIS religious beliefs. Once again you've made up a story about what I said that doesn't fit the facts, and all you had to do was go back down this chain of communication to search for the answer. It is simple to re-examine my exact words to repeat them back to me but you seem too lazy to even do that! Go back and look! You don't have to go very far. You don't have to expend much effort. Just go look. I merely pointed out that Bush's professed public beliefs were negated by his private actions. Guess you went into a "conniption" and in your rage assembled another argument that had nothing to do with what I had actually said. You covered your shock and disgust with a false flag argument to take our discussion away from the horrible revelation.

"Similarly, using public funds to erect a religious object on public property is making a law establishing a religion. There would be no problem using private funds for such a project in a privately owned park, just not money collected on behalf of ALL the people."

Mr. Sheeple@f...... wrote: To make such a claim as quoted above from your email is an asinine stretch to prove a nebulous point. It is akin to the idiocy of claiming that school vouchers used by parents to place their kids in a private school run by a religious orgainization is a "violation of church and state separation"as allegedly "establishing religion". The religion is already established, but only represented by some monument. I guess you do not use money because using "In God We Trust" on coins and currency is "establishment of religion" and therefore allegedly contrary to the Constitution.

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

How is my example a stretch? It simply shows how Christians can provide support without using public funds. And, yes, school vouchers are public funds supporting a private organization. Many unconstitutional acts of the government have been allowed to pass or the court has acted in violation of the meaning of the Constitution. This only demonstrates that we are not now living in a constitutional republic but in the surreptitious dictatorship that began in 1861 when the Congress was adjourned sine die and Abraham Lincoln was forced to declare martial law and rule by Executive Order. Any Congress convened since then has operated under the branch of the Constitution that administers the District of Columbia and all federal territories and possessions. The 14th Amendment was passed to provide a new class of citizen, the Citizen of the United States, which, by presumption of our acceptance by failure to declare otherwise, created a class of people who are SUBJECTS instead of Sovereigns. Most people didn't know the difference.

As a result of the incorporation of the US government and the state and county governments as subsidiaries, the nation has been governed by public policy rather than law and we are no longer guaranteed our rights as Sovereigns. To keep the peace as they gathered more and more power, the government permitted the judiciary to operate under the "color" of law. As a result, the actions over the past 140 years are null and void under the U S Constitution but functioning to usurp more power and wealth from the people, placing them in an unrecognized, involuntary servitude to the masters of the government.

Slowly the New World Crocodile has approached the moment of its final lunge. We're there. Only the facade of Constitutional rights, only the impression of a government of, by and for the people, only the color of law and a currency that is more and more worthless everyday, an economy that has been repeatedly been raided by government spending, by a collection agency (IRS) for the Federal Reserve and the IMF, military spending on adventures of conquest, fractional reserve banking, fraudulent banking practices, usury, illicit drug running behind the facade of National Security and a "War on Drugs" and child sex abuse, pornography, and white slavery.

You said you knew all about the Federal Reserve, you've known ALL about that for a long time, and yet you refer to the currency (Federal Reserve Notes are debt instruments) as MONEY?? And I am exploring ways to exchange energy, credits, without using the fraudulent money system fostered by the Illuminati in the Federal Reserve Act. And your understanding of "establishment" is not of an intellectual quality. Go look it up in a good dictionary. Don't just look at the first few definitions. Once again, your definitions, your apprehension of the world is superficial. You haven't demonstrated the intellectual drive to go deeply enough to REALLY understand something opting for the obvious and casual.

In the Random House Dictionary of the English Language, College Edition, "establish" means:

3. to cause to be accepted or recognized, 4 show to be valid or true; prove, 5. to enact, appoint, or ordain for permanence, 7. to make (a church) a state or national institution.

Mr. Sheeple@f...... wrote: As I have noted in the previous emails, a fact you have already forgotten, the concept of "Church and State Separation" is established in the minds of those who perceive the Constitution in that regard, the Constitution states no such thing. RHB

Sheeple Analyst wrote:

But it DOES prohibit the ESTABLISHMENT of RELIGION. Look up the meaning so you KNOW instead of ASSUMING you know. I haven't forgotten. I looked up the meaning of the word to check my understanding. Would that you do the same. You decry the dumbing down of America and then shout your ignorance from the rooftops. DO your own research. Check it out. If you're going to quote the Constitution then for your own sake, not mine, look up the definitions.

And if I seem long-winded, it is only because you have left out so much in your analysis and synthesis to be filled in with facts.

Mr. Sheeple@f...... wrote:
The point of Brennan's story is that the nation was founded on Christian principles, and therefore the Constitution does not declare "separation of church and state", but instead declares that Congress shall make no law establishing a religion and niether shall it ban free exercise thereof! People are free to believe and profess what they want to, and whether or not you do not have any theological belief is immaterial. Niether Le or I subscribe to any religious belief I call "churchianity", but that does not mean we condemn any who exercise their first amendment rights to freely express and exercise their religious beliefs.

The point of Brennans article was the tendency of government and other entities to condemn Christian principles to the point of banning individual Christian beliefs on the grounds of "church and state separation" but accept the Jewish Menorrah, Kwansa observances and muslim expressions of their beliefs. He did not condemn the allegations you make about the Bush family, as you did, in your response. There is nothing to say they cannot engage in such acts.If the allegations are true, they are contrary to the beliefs the founders of this nation expressed as Christian beliefs because christian principles condemn such actions. For you to reightly object to their alleged acts, you are then espousing christian beliefs contrary to such acts. There are people who are not "Christian", but their personal beliefs regarding right and wrong are inherent in their character.

Brennan also expressed concern regarding the perceptions and attitudes of the younger generation which are contrary to the beliefs that existed in our day when civility reigned. Civility imposed by our parents who applied psychology to our backsides when we failed to comply with norms of a civilized society. RHB

Sheeple Analyst wrote:
Establishing a religion can be represented by using public monies to support, advocate, or otherwise favor one religious group over others. This can include a public school teacher leading a class in an activity such as group prayer. This teacher can pray separately and individually as they wish but not in the role of a public employee doing public business.

The entire issue is fostered to create more contention between factions, declaring that children and teachers are not permitted to pray in the public schools. As a public school teacher I never stopped a student from praying and was never asked to stop an individual student from praying. "Just keep it quiet so that it doesn't interfere with the other students, please."

Similarly, using public funds to erect a religious object on public property is making a law establishing a religion. There would be no problem using private funds for such a project in a privately owned park, just not money collected on behalf of ALL the people.

I don't think you've ever heard me express any opinion that people should not be allowed to profess their religious beliefs. If you did, it was your own mental fabrication. It's quite good of you to not restrict anyone's freedom. But then, that's what is expected of you, not a granting of a privilege on your part. Didn't think this discourse had anything to do with anybody restricting anyone else's freedom of expression. Where did this line of discussion originate?

If Brennan was condemning the banning of individual's Christian beliefs, he didn't refer to any particular instance of that occurring. His very general statements glossed over the facts, allowing him to generalize broader than the facts warranted. No one has suggested banning Christian beliefs, just not using government resources to promote one belief to the exclusion of others. Schwarzenegger can accept a menorah is he needs to bolster his non-Nazi persona. A photo-op is probably not the establishment of one religion over another. I've not seen a case of government financing a Mosque or Masjid, have you?

The acts described are violations of the statutes and the Declaration of Human Rights in the UN Charter to which the US is a signatory. Your belief that such prohibitions stem from Christianity is a narrow view of the source of morality and ethics. Before there were whiteman's laws the Native American people lived moral and ethical lives in their communities, admired by the Men with the Black Book and the Black Dress for their pre-existing ethical behavior and codes of conduct. Christian ethics also brought us Custer, Chivington, Jackson, Washington, and others who violated human rights to enrich themselves or to gain "honor and glory." You have not acknowledged the criminal acts of these Christian criminals operating under the command of their "Christian" precepts on behalf of a Christian nation. I don't need Christian precepts to act honorably and ethically. History has shown that these self-professed "Christians" honor their precepts more by their omission than observance, and, like Arnold Schwarzenegger, for their effect more than for their intrinsic value.

I suggested that you base your belief system on facts gleaned from a careful study of history rather than impressions and myths assembled from a casual acquaintance with information and disinformation. You have acquired a belief in a decorum that comes only from the deathly silence that arises from a lack of knowledge. You could choose to really know rather than found your world-view on half-truths and untruths.

On January 30, 1798, Congressman Lyon of Vermont had brazenly insulted the Connecticut Federalist Representative Roger Griswold who retaliated for the offense by publicly calling Lyon a coward. To this character attack Lyon had responded by spitting directly in Griswold's face; when Congress subsequently failed to marshal a two-thirds majority to expel Lyon for indecorum, Griswold thought it necessary to avenge his damaged honor by publicly caning Lyon in the House chambers. This hickory stick attack was the climax of over two weeks of fierce congressional turmoil.

http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/journals/EH/EH41/Neff41.html

On March 31, 1832, Congressman William Stanbery of Ohio asked on the floor of the House "Was not the late Secretary of War removed because of his attempt fraudulently to give Governor Houston the contract for Indian rations?"

On the evening of April 13 Houston beat Stanbery with a hickory cane on Pennsylvania Avenue in Washington. Stanbery drew his pistol and tried to shoot Houston. The pistol misfired.

Senator Buckner of Missouri testified that when Houston had almost finished caning Stanbery he lifted the Congressman's feet into the air and "struck him elsewhere". to body parts in the Starr report.)

http://www.swt.edu/cpm/hobbyscorner/sam_houston.html

John Randolph of Roanoke lived for almost sixty years, mesmerizing and exasperating fellow members of the United States Congress with his eloquent oratory, and shocking many with his vitriolic verbal attacks on his enemies, and his involvement in a caning and a duel!

".the Senate and the House have all this comity supposedly and all these kind words - The Honorable, distinguished, sir, and so forth. The reason they say that is because beneath that veneer of politeness lies hatred and passion and bitterness which at times erupts into even a caning before the Civil War of one southern congressman caning a northern abolitionist, showing the kinds of problems that exist."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/jan-june99/historians_1-7.html

Covering Congress in 1855 as a reporter, Horace Greeley suffered a mild concussion from a caning by Speaker Albert Rust (D-AR) in reprisal for his criticism of Rust's pro-slavery maneuvering.

http://www.honors.unr.edu/~fenimore/greeley.html

The whole decades-long national debate over slavery can be seen as one of steadily escalating insults, each one building upon the last until what had begun as a debate over the basic humanity of African-Americans ended with whites on both sides questioning the humanity of each other. On May 22, 1856, the "world's greatest deliberative body" became a combat zone. In one of the most dramatic and deeply ominous moments in the Senate's entire history, Congressman Preston Brooks of South Carolina entered the Senate chamber and savagely beat Senator Charles Sumner into bloody unconsciousness.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/The_Caning_of_Senator_Charles_Sumner.htm

http://www.kevinbaker.info/c_cp.html

Fistfight. "A Fight in Congress" concerning a fistfight in congress involving Keitt and Grow. 35/2/5.

www.kckcc.edu/ss/chindowan/sub35.htm

Henry S. Foote, who was kicked out of one Southern state for dueling but managed to become governor of another, was once described as, "A bald and pugnacious little man."

In 1847, he was elected to the U.S. Senate. However, he did not get along with Jefferson Davis, the other senator from Mississippi at that time. According to a story that was repeated in several biographies, Foote and Davis came to blows on Christmas Day 1847..

http://www.vanderbilt.edu/News/register/Apr08_02/story12.html

On February 22, 1902, John McLaurin, South Carolina's junior senator, raced into the Senate chamber and pronounced that state's senior senator, Ben Tillman, guilty of "a willful, malicious, and deliberate lie." Standing nearby, Tillman spun around and punched McLaurin squarely in the jaw. The chamber exploded in pandemonium as members struggled to separate the South Carolina delegation. In a long moment, it was over, but not without stinging bruises both to bystanders and to the Senate's sense of decorum.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/minute/Senate_Fistfight.htm

Otherwise the decorum is disturbed by various duels, such as that between Alexander Hamilton and Aaron Burr, and by assassinations such as the attempted assassination of Andrew Jackson, the assassinations of Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley, Huey Long, McFadden, Larry McDonald, Kennedy, Carnahan and Wellstone. On the surface decorum and beyond the façade of decorum, murder. Well, that's enough for now. You should get the picture from that cursory scan of history.

You won't acknowledge the genocidal atrocities of the Christian folk against the Native Americans?

And corporal punishment is a very useful mind-control technique being perfected by the scientists at NASA, CIA, DIA and various universities and institutions run by various "christians." Spare the rod and spoil the child is leading to Project Monarch....which you know all about, I guess.

Mr. Sheeple wrote:

We Are One
Phil Brennan
Tuesday, Dec. 23, 2003

If religious books are not widely circulated among the masses in this country, I do not know what is going to become of us as a nation. If truth be not diffused, error will be; If God and His Word are not known and received, the devil and his works will gain the ascendancy; If the evangelical volume does not reach every hamlet, the pages of a corrupt and licentious literature will; If the power of the Gospel is not felt throughout the length and breadth of the land, anarchy and misrule, degradation and misery, corruption and darkness will reign without mitigation or end. - Daniel Webster*
My oldest son, Phil III, a decorated (Medal of Valor) firefighter/paramedic (parental bragging rights asserted) got his Irish dander up when he read a letter to the editor of the Daytona Beach News Journal recently in which the writer railed against the idea of "little fascist puppets" being made to recite the Pledge of Allegiance and its hateful reference to - of all things - God!

Such utterances, the writer revealed, were "inserted by politicians owned by greedy capitalists who were terrified that any amount of communism in the United States would make them share their immense wealth with the poor."

That Marxist absurdity provoked Phil to write a letter to the newspaper reminding the gentleman that "Christianity was the religion of our founding fathers." He also recited the sad litany of some of the horrors that have resulted from our abandoning the faith of our fathers.

"We have seen prayer in our public schools taken from us, with the very mention of God by our teachers grounds for dismissal. Now our children prey on each other and us," he wrote.

"Millions of our precious children have been slaughtered in their mother's womb ... we look back on the institution of slavery whereby one man owned another as the abomination it was. Can you imagine how we will be judged when future generations look back on a practice so barbaric as a mother killing her own child?"

The week after his letter appeared, the paper carried four responses to his letter, one praising him and three attacking him. Those three letters revealed an astounding - and shameful - ignorance of American history.

The first letter made the amazing - and preposterous - claim that "If we were to be governed by faith in a supernatural being, the founding fathers could have said so."

Sir, they did. Numerous times.

For example, Patrick Henry,* who surely qualifies as a founding father, said, "It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great nation was founded not by religionists [pluralism], but by Christians; not on religions, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ!"

Letter writer No. 2 shared the tragically common illusion that there is a "constitutional separation of Church and State" although that document makes not a single mention of any such separation but merely prohibits the federal government from setting up an established church. It also prohibits the government from doing anything that prevents the free exercise of religion, such as telling teachers they can't mention God in the classroom.

The third letter tells us that "The writer [Phil] seems to ignore the fact that our founding fathers were not Christians, were not religious, and apparently were very careful to keep from making any mention of God in our Constitution. The closest any of them came to being religious was theism."

Oh?

"The highest glory of the American Revolution was this: it connected, in one indissoluble bond, the principles of civil government with the principles of Christianity."

- John Quincy Adams*

"To the distinguished character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to add the more distinguished Character of Christian."

- George Washington*

It should be clear that the founders saw the new nation they created as a Christian nation. By this they meant that it was founded on the principles laid down by Jesus Christ and set forth in Holy Scripture. They espoused no specific branch of Christianity, but made it clear that Christianity was the bedrock beneath the Constitution and the nation it governs.

To them it was plain that while people of other religions were fully Americans and as such welcome and cherished, they would be expected to govern their lives by adherence to laws based upon and inspired by the Ten Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount and the Holy Bible because they are the sole voluntary restraints on human passions and frailties that allow members of a society to live in peace and tranquility with one another.

John Adams* put it this way: "Statesmen, my dear sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone, which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue."

Wrote Thomas Jefferson:* "Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure, when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that they are a gift of God? Indeed, I tremble for my countrymen, when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever."

What I'm getting at here is that even though America is a pluralistic society that enshrines religious tolerance, the fact is that the United States is a Christian nation and all Christians, regardless of denomination, are one in their Christianity.

The majority of Christians abhor the killing of the innocent unborn, yet we have allowed the courts to put the stamp of approval on this barbaric practice. We have stood by and allowed the courts to ban all mentions of Christianity from the public square, to forbid the recitation by children in public schools of the Pledge of Allegiance.

We have stood by and merely wrung our hands when state courts and state governments have attacked the very foundations of marriage by approving same-sex unions, ignoring the demonstrable fact that the traditional family is the core of society and that which weakens it weakens society.

We'd better start acting as if we are one in our Christian faith, which is being trampled underfoot by the corrupt anti-creed of secular humanism that is slowly but steadily taking captive the organs of the state and the judiciary.

We are engaged in a struggle between good and evil - God and Satan - and we must decline to adhere to the destructive norms laid down and enforced by secular liberalism through its ideological dominance of the bureaucracies, the courts, the universities and the media.

We are long past the time when we should have reared up and shouted, like the characters in the movie "Network," that "We've had enough and we're not going to take it anymore."

We have allowed the federal and local judiciaries to usurp legislative power, frequently issuing decrees that countermand the public will expressed in referenda or legislation.

As mentioned above, the courts have deliberately misinterpreted the First Amendment, decreeing that the Constitution bans all forms of religious expression in the public square and by enforcing its dicta thereby violating the constitutional prohibition against interfering with the free exercise of religion.

We have allowed ourselves to be cast free of the moorings of our Christian faith, without which we are defenseless against the barbarism of secular humanism. As John Adams said: "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

I get e-mail all the time asking what can be done to halt this relentless assault on our faith, our morals, our rights and our liberty. Millions of our fellow Christians are despairing over their feeling of helplessness in the face of what they see as a steady diminution of their most fundamental rights and the degradation of the nation's morals.

Yet many of these same Christians continue to vote for the men and women who are in the forefront of the war against Christianity and Christian morals. In New York, for example, Christians cast their votes for the blatantly anti-Christian Sen. Charles Schumer, a dedicated supporter of the multibillion-dollar abortion industry who has fought bitterly against nominees to the federal bench on the grounds of their devotion to their Christian principles, which he sees as being bigoted and un-American.

Pro-life Catholics continue to vote for other champions of the abortion industry, such as the alleged Catholics Ted Kennedy and Tom Daschle, and then complain when they do the bidding of the industry's titans.

In his book on the war against Christianity, David Limbaugh, an experienced lawyer, explains that Congress can put limits on the federal judiciary and curb its usurpation of legislative power.

But not this Congress.

Christians disturbed over the fact that we are losing the moral war must understand that the best weapon they have is their vote for members of the House and Senate. That's where the power lies and where the war to restore Christian morality and America's allegiance to God must be fought and won.

If we are sincere in our Christian beliefs, we will mount the barricades next November and get rid of the secular humanists and openly anti-Christian members of Congress such as Charles Schumer. Remember, any Christian who votes for the likes of this man automatically joins him in his war against Christians by keeping him where he can do the most damage.

We are one. Let's start acting like it.

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*Major sources:

"The Myth of Separation," by David Barton
WallBuilder Press
Post Office Box 397
Aledo, Texas 76008
(817) 441-6044

"The Light and the Glory," by Peter Marshall and David Manuel
Fleming H. Revell Company
Tarrytown, New York

Phil Brennan is a veteran journalist who writes for NewsMax.com. He is editor & publisher of Wednesday on the Web (http://www.pvbr.com) and was Washington columnist for National Review magazine in the 1960s. He also served as a staff aide for the House Republican Policy Committee and helped handle the Washington public relations operation for the Alaska Statehood Committee which won statehood for Alaska. He is also a trustee of the Lincoln Heritage Institute and a member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers.

Sheeple Analyst:

Are you an advocate for the Christian Church? You do surprise me sometimes. I certainly agree with many of the ideas expressed by Brennan. Of course, they are intended to carry on the contentiousness and factionalism that distracts from the facts.

The facts are that many of our leader professing publicly to be God-fearing Christians, born again, committed to Jesus their Lord, etc. are privately participating in satanic activities, supporting child sex abuse and bestiality, abusing men and women sexually and splitting their personalities into numerous compartments to control their minds. One of Reagan's favorite pastimes was watching bestiality movies starring children in the Project Monarch. George Dubya and his Daddy didn't seem to favor women as sex objects as much as they favored children, both boys and girls. Cheney's penis is so big that he scares little children. Robert Byrd's penis is so small that he had vaginas altered surgically so that he fit better. Bill Clinton favors little boys and Hillary, little girls. All of them enjoy the control they achieve through the use of their stun guns, often applied to the genitals. Pain, trauma and misery are essential to the regimen for the Project Monarch "chosen ones." Killing babies as part of their pre-Christmas solstice ceremony, blood rituals, torture, agony all to mock the baby Jesus of the Christians.

So I'm just not so impressed with the Christian gig. Most people do fall for the line because, well, the rich and powerful control the media and more importantly they control the schools and most people are so dumbed down that they only experience life at its most superficial level, never peeking behind the curtain to see the reality. Reality scares them and they turn quickly to the illusions that are so comfortable and seemingly safe..

Satan is at war with God and will not win. But there are a lot of folks who can be snookered into believing the lie of the commons and full of righteousness join the claque in support of that which is Satanic. How would you describe a folk who gathered native people into stockades and set it ablaze? Would you call them Christian? How would you describe the actions of George Washington in stealing rich lands from native peoples and bringing the Virginia militia to hunt them down like varmints? How would you describe people who attack peaceful villages of people on land designated theirs by treaty and kill women carrying babies, trampling the babies or dashing their brains out on the tree trunks, killing the children and old men? How would you describe bringing entire villages into a camp and then turning the cannons on them at dawn? Christians? Perhaps with a sick sense of humor or no sense of history such nonsense can be swallowed righteously.

So you like to choose up sides and play Republican vs Democrat? Conservatives vs. Liberals? Cowboys and Indians? Until you get the questions right there is no place left to stand with answers. Brennan misses the point totally.....and gets thousands to watch where he points. They follow the finger and lose the pea under the walnut shell.

And all you can do with this is talk about my negativity and bitterness. If the truth is negative what is the lie? If the truth is bitter poison for you, you can cover it up with a lot of sugary lies. Will that work? It would be simple to just call this a sermon, but that would have religious overtones. You could just throw up your hands and run from the playground, but the real world is not limited to the playground. If you don't play the game by reasonable rules, the game will play you by satanic rules. There is no easy alternative.

If you are careful to not look for the truth, the lie will feel more and more comfortable until slowly all of the lies will erode the truth and Americans will be living the lie boasting that theirs is the freest nation in the world whereas there is no liberty and justice for ALL...only for the elite. But you know all about them, don't you. .


The differences are not so much philosophical as they are intellectual. You shoot out an alleged fact that I show to be nonsense, proven by clear facts. Then you don't even acknowledge that you didn't know that, that you had guessed and speculated, and that the truth is other than you had represented. This interchange is core to the educational reform you espouse because the educational reformer doesn't have the intellectual honesty, fortitude, or learning skills to accomplish what he wishes for the students. If this is the quality of the analysis, then the educational reform activity will be fraught with the same fruit loop reasoning and haphazard analysis.

You could have said, "Gee! I didn't realize that the US military was still using that technology." You could have said, "Well, perhaps the British really DID sell Saddam such equipment in the 1980's as they have said." You could even have admitted that you don't really know so much about the military as you proclaim. You could have checked it out on my web site under Weapons of Mass Destruction. That was easy to send back to you because I've already checked out the story and brought forward the evidence. If you are as flip with the facts, the educational reform will be just about as full of holes and do more damage than good.

And then you run away from the facts. If it is getting tiresome, perhaps it's because you can't stand the strain of real analysis and fall back on platitudes and speculation. Since I won't let you get away with sloppy analysis you claim it is because of a philosophical differences. Philosophical differences can be dismissed as etheric, obscure, arcane, and irrelevant.

Mr. Sheeple@f...... wrote:

Well, now all that is needed is to apply it to domestic use and depend on hydrogen.

My education reform effort is now taking a lot of my time. There is no point in continuing the exchange, that is getting tiresome, because we will never come to terms due to philosophical differences in many respects. We will never convince each other of our respective viewpoints, so we will simply let the course of history play out and see what happens. Bye. RHB

-----Original Message-----
From: allen heart
To: Mr. Sheeple@f...................
Date: Sunday, October 05, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: For your attention

AN/TMQ-42 Hydrogen Generator (HG)
DESCRIPTION:
The Hydrogen Generator (HG) is a mobile system that will produce the gas necessary for inflating meteorological balloons used by artillery Met sections. The system will produce 150 cubic feet of gas per hour, and store 300 cubic feet. It will be skid mounted on a HMMWV in units equipped with the AN/TMQ-41 Met Measuring Set (MMS).
http://sill-http://www.army.mil/TNGCMD/mat/MET/hg.htm

Mr. Sheeple@f...... wrote::
If the trailers are, indeed, a means of "producing hydrogen for artillery balloons", a couple of questions come to mind:

1 Why 'artillery (spotting) balloons" when that obsolete technology concept has not been used since WW I !!! Saddam had aircraft, and even had smaller remote controlled aircraft, as once shown on a television news story, but were not operational. does not make sense because of archaic thinking.

2. If the trailers are indeed a means of chemically producing hydrogen (for artillery observation) balloons, then Saddam was on to something that the United States should examine in regard to environmentalists obsession with
hydrogen fuel cells. Imagine! A chemical reaction on a trailer that could be pulled up to a filling station with Hydrogen filling capabilities and fill the supply tanks with out high pressure refrigerated tanker trucks needed to
transport liquid hydrogen!

The leftist Observer's credability is not much better than the supermarket tabloid.

-----Original Message-----
From: whiteaglesoaringfororders@yahoo.com
To: Mr. Sheeple@f.............
Date: Saturday, October 04, 2003 10:59 PM
Subject: For your attention

allen heart spotted this on the The Observer site and thought you should see it.

With all that is known about those trailers, it is telling that the Bush Administration continues to claim them as corroboration of their WMD claims. It is an amazing proof of their confidence in the dumbing down process of the American people.

To see this story with its related links on the The Observer site, go to http://www.observer.co.uk

Blow to Blair over 'mobile labs' Saddam's trucks were for balloons, not germs
Peter Beaumont and Antony Barnett
Saturday June 07 2003
The Guardian

Tony Blair faces a fresh crisis over Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, as evidence emerges that two vehicles that he has repeatedly claimed to be Iraqi mobile biological warfare production units are nothing of the sort.

The intelligence agency MI6, British defence officers and technical experts from the Porton Down microbiological research establishment have been ordered to conduct an urgent review of the mobile facilities, following US analysis which casts serious doubt on whether they really are germ labs.

The British review comes amid widespread doubts expressed by scientists on both sides of the Atlantic that the trucks could have been used to make biological weapons.

Instead The Observer has established that it is increasingly likely that the units were designed to be used for hydrogen production to fill artillery balloons, part of a system originally sold to Saddam by Britain in 1987.

The British review follows access by UK officials to the vehicles which were discovered by US troops in April and May.

'We are being very careful now not to jump to any conclusions about these vehicles,' said one source familiar with the investigation. 'On the basis of intelligence we do believe that mobile labs do exist. What is not certain is that these vehicles are actually them so we are being careful not to jump the gun.'

The claim, however, that the two vehicles are mobile germ labs has been repeated frequently by both Blair and President George Bush in recent days in support of claims that they prove the existence of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

During his whistle stop tour of the Gulf, Europe and Russia, Blair repeatedly briefed journalists that the trailers were germ production labs which proved that Iraq had WMD.

But chemical weapons experts, engineers, chemists and military systems experts contacted by The Observer over the past week, say the layout and equipment found on the trailers is entirely inconsistent with the vehicles being mobile labs. Both US Secretary of State Colin Powell, when he
addressed the UN Security Council prior to the war, and the British Government alleged that Saddam had such labs.

A separate investigation published by the New York Times yesterday discloses that the trailers have now been investigated by three different teams of Western experts, with the third and most senior group of analysts apparently divided sharply over their function.

'I have no great confidence that it's a fermenter,' a senior analyst said of a tank supposed to be capable of multiplying seed germs into lethal swarms. The government's public report, he said, 'was a rushed job and looks political'. The analyst had not seen the trailers, but reviewed evidence
from them.

Another intelligence expert who has seen the trailers told the US paper: 'Everyone has wanted to find the "smoking gun" so much that they may have wanted to have reached this conclusion. I am very upset with the process.'

Questions over the claimed purpose of trailer for making biological weapons include:

  • The lack of any trace of pathogens found in the fermentation tanks. According to experts, when weapons inspectors checked tanks in the mid-Nineties that had been scoured to disguise their real use, traces of pathogens were still detectable.
  • The use of canvas sides on vehicles where technicians would be working with dangerous germ cultures.
  • A shortage of pumps required to create vacuum conditions required for working with germ cultures and other processes usually associated with making biological weapons.
  • The lack of an autoclave for steam sterilisation, normally a prerequisite for any kind of biological production. Its lack of availability between production runs would threaten to let in germ contaminants, resulting in failed weapons.
  • The lack of any easy way for technicians to remove germ fluids from the processing tank.

One of those expressing severe doubts about the alleged mobile germ labs is Professor Harry Smith, who chairs the Royal Society's working party on biological weapons.

He told The Observer 'I am concerned about the canvas sides. Ideally, you would want airtight facilities for making something like anthrax. Not only that, it is a very resistant organism and even if the Iraqis cleaned the equipment, I would still expect to find some trace of it.'

His view is shared by the working group of the Federation of American Scientists and by the CIA, which states: 'Senior Iraqi officials of the al-Kindi Research, Testing, Development, and Engineering facility in Mosul were shown pictures of the mobile production trailers, and they claimed that the trailers were used to chemically produce hydrogen for artillery weather balloons.'

Artillery balloons are essentially balloons that are sent up into the atmosphere and relay information on wind direction and speed allowing more accurate artillery fire. Crucially, these systems need to be mobile.

The Observer has discovered that not only did the Iraq military have such a system at one time, but that it was actually sold to them by the British. In 1987 Marconi, now known as AMS, sold the Iraqi army an Artillery Meteorological System or Amets for short.

Sheeple Analyst replies:

The CIA is supposed to provide the Executive with information on which to base their decisions. They did their job. They told the administration and anyone who checked out a wider variety of news information that the basis of the intelligence was NOT trustworthy and the Bush Cabal chose to go ahead nevertheless. They set up the Office of Special Plans to cook their own "intelligence" to provide the plausible deniability. They violated the trust of the American people and lined the pockets of Halliburton with no-bid contracts as well as ever-present Bechtel. And because too few Americans believed the propaganda of their leaders, our soldiers are trapped in a lie they cannot escape. And when they are given leave, they must pay their own tickets home.

The assurance which the Bush Administration gave to convince Congress and the American people that we should violate Iraqi sovereignty and therefore international law, was NOT based on speculation, they said. They really know. They lied. A vial of botulinum in a refrigerator somewhere is NOT a satisfactory excuse for pounding the Iraqi nation with "depleted" uranium munitions that threaten all life in the region for millions of years, destroying their infrastructure, killing over 37,000 civilian men, women and children, maiming hundreds of thousands more, stealing their oil and auctioning off their businesses to Illuminati vultures.

You apparently are still convinced that what the news reporters tell you is gospel. What about the possibility that the Iraqi military officer was telling the truth about the events at the Baghdad airport on April 8 and 9? What if Saddam Hussein is STILL a business associate of George HW Bush and his kid? What if they all played you and most of the world as a sucker, a rube. "There's one born every minute," PT Barnum used to say.

On the basis of LACK OF PROOF, Dubya went to war. Millions of astute men and women around the world, most of the UN Security Council, the experts of UNSCOM and UNMOVIC, Gulf War Vets, VIPS.....thought it was a bit untimely and brutish, short on real proof. But noooo, Dubya and the Israeli boys thought that sooner is better. THEY were certain that WMD would be found easily.

"Speculation" you say? On speculation Dubya took the lives of American soldiers. On speculation he is still taking their lives. Many parents are searching for the Kevlar vests that were not available for all those who stood sentry duty with antique Vietnam-era flak jackets that can't stop today's high velocity, penetrating ammunition. Thousands are being sent back sick, debilitated and dying from the DU and the mandatory, untested anthrax vaccine from Bioport, a subsidiary of GHW Bush's Carlyle Group. Yes, speculation does kill people. What should we do with Presidents who speculate away the lives and treasure of their country? What should we do with a people who are too gullible to keep their country from being stolen from them? Since when do conservatives advocate bigger and bigger government that steals more and more liberties?

Mr. Sheeple@f...... wrote:

True, that was announced. Perhaps the information was faulty or deliberately deceiving by Saddam loyalists. Perhaps the warheads they were seeking at the time had since been moved over the border into Syria, Jordan or elsewhere as later reports concerning a convoy of trucks indicated. Or, perhaps they were actually destroyed, as later reports indicated, but perhaps Saddam was bluffing by not showing proof they were destroyed, as later reports indicated as a possibility. This vial of botulism had been in that refrigerator since '93 perhaps as "seed" once the furor died down.

Lack of proof one way or the other means it is still up to speculation and nothing definitive can be established.

-----Original Message-----
From: Analyst
To: sheeple@pasture.net
Date: Saturday, October 04, 2003 4:15 PM
Subject: Re: Botulinum 'is WMD'

Rumsfeld assured us on the eve of the illegal invasion, that he knew exactly where they were. Bush and Powell assured us that the danger to the US was immanent, not just potential. Botulinum toxin is also used for creams for smoothing wrinkles.

Mr. Sheeple@f...... wrote:
Perhaps the reason no WMD have been initially found is that the material was not stored in warehouses or other easily detectible locations but in refrigerators and other areas in and around scientists houses. Perhaps Saddam did destroy the missiles and other delivery devices loaded with wmd, but kept samples for quick production when the "heat was off"!

Also, a recent story by the Hindustan times, that I emailed to you, noted that some Iraqis were arrested by the Kuwaitis for smuggling WMDs out of Iraq that were destined for some European nation. The WMD must exist, and some Iraqis know where they are, if they could get their hands on them and try and smuggle them out.

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